Shoft@Home

[NeoGen]

So we got ourselves another project... another toy to play with :lol:

----------------- SHOFT@HOME -----------------
Details are scarce for those of us who do not understand russian, but Shoft@Home is a BOINC project created by a russian company, that will serve as base for them to supply the most varied services, as long as it's something that can be crunched.
It is rumoured that the project will go commercial after going through the first initial testing phases (right now it's in alpha stage). It is also rumoured that it may become a "for-pay" project by that time, meaning that it'll pay it's users for the cpu time spent crunching. These are two unconfirmed rumours that will only be cleared for good once someone that can understand russian could be so kind to translate the texts for us :P

----------------- DO I NEED TO KNOW RUSSIAN? -----------------
Anyways, it is a very straightforward project to join and run actually. Do not be scared with the word "russian" as respecting to the project itself and boinc you won't see a word in that language. (Unless you really are a russian, and I'll explain why...). The project website has an active translation system that depending on the region value set on your computer (usually it's your country) it translates the website to your language. So, to a russian it appears in russian, but to an american it appears in english... and so on. :)

----------------- WEBSITE -----------------
This is the website (click here) (http://public.shoft.net/)

----------------- HOW TO JOIN -----------------
To join our team, you can go through the website, create an account, and then find our team and join.... OR, you can click here (http://public.shoft.net/create_account_form.php?teamid=13) and create an account directly into our team. (It's easier isn't it? :P)

----------------- EXTRA COMMENTS AND LINKS -----------------
We are very well ranked in this project, and even with few members we're among the teams with highest output. Check it out yourself with the links I'm giving next...
Top Teams (http://public.shoft.net/top_teams.php?sort_by=total_credit) (note: this link you won't find on the mainpage)
Top Members (http://public.shoft.net/top_users.php?sort_by=total_credit) (check out how many of our team are here ;))


So if you wanna join in and help us, or maybe just belong to a winning team, you know what you have to do. :)
Any doubts, comments or questions... post below!

[AQUAJOE]

I tossed a few at this. to try it out.

[gamer007]

Joined. How long are the WUs?

EDIT: Been about 10 minutes, haven't got a account key emailed. :-(

EDIT 2: Woot. Email just came. :)

[AQUAJOE]

They are small. My first one took 13 min.

Oh and there website can be read in english.

http://www.shoft.net/en/

[gamer007]

My status report: So far so good. My first WU already crashed 1.5min into the WU.
09/11/05 00:32:04|Shoft@Home|Unrecoverable error for result wu_1122466010_86197_0 (Incorrect function. (0x1) - exit code 1 (0x1))
09/11/05 00:32:04||request_reschedule_cpus: process exited

My 2nd WU is almost done. Crunching a WU will take around 20min for me.

[NeoGen]

Ah... so I'm not the only one having random crashes on a few workunits? :lol:

Yea, that happens... don't have a clue why.
And the funny thing is that this is dummy workunits for their alpha testing... maybe throwing in a few errored ones is part of their test?

[AQUAJOE]

This has an issue of running out of WU's.

Kinda have to baby sit this one.

[outlawolf]

looks like i got my 6th project. now if only orbit@home would open up i would have an entire family of projects to crunch... and even with 5 current projects WU's seem to be hard to come by, at least on my main projects. Outage@Home (SETI) looks like it's good to go again (for now...), but LHC and Predictor are both down at the moment...


Edit: Predictors back, so i can upload those WU at least.

[AQUAJOE]

I threw a few cycles at this it racks up points ok.

also I am not having to babysit it anymore it is loading up my ques before it runs out.
It wasn't doing that at first. :greenjumpers:

[NeoGen]

I threw a few cycles at this it racks up points ok.

also I am not having to babysit it anymore it is loading up my ques before it runs out.
It wasn't doing that at first. :greenjumpers:

Boinc's not smart, but learns fast :lol:

And I see you going up the ranks fast there. You'll get to the top in no time at that speed :)

[AMDave]

You'll get to the top in no time at that speed :)

poop.
oh well.
yellow ribbons come.
yellow ribbons go.
:lol:
at least I got it for a few days ;)

[AQUAJOE]

AMDave sorry about you losing 1st position.

I will wave as I go by!! :hello2: :hello2:



:wav: :greenjumpers:

[AQUAJOE]

Come on everyone Lets have some fun and lay the smackdown to SHOFT.

It is easy points. Lets try to take first.

:rightfighter5:

[Anonymous]

OK :cool:

[daddygeek]

Boinc here i come, I'll see you there.

[AQUAJOE]

Whoop There it is!!

=D< :wav: :hello1:

[NeoGen]

Congrats AquaJoe! :D

...and what took ya so long? :P :lol:

[AQUAJOE]

Neo sorry about not getting there quicker I had to stop help an old lady across the road!

[Brucifer]

So what is everyone using for the contact network setting? Any idea of how long the work units are good for?

[Lagu]

Hej!

I have downloaded Boinc to my old Intel and think to run Shoft. To my surprice, this project (work unit) need 15127,3 MB of disc space and I have only 4.54 GB free. Is anyone avare this? If you have 40 GB you don't got a message who say: You have not enough disc space. I couldn’t dream of such great use of space.

Lagu :shock:

[NeoGen]

Never had such problem with Shoft. Only with climate prediction, but that one is understandable. They warn that it needs plenty of disk space. But shoft never used almost anything to me. Maybe it's some random boinc bug. Have you tried detaching from it and reataching the project again?

@72CJ5 - I don't know what setting you are talking about. Is it in the boinc general preferences? And about the Shoft workunits, they have a 2 days deadline, which is more than enough given how fast they are crunched.
Credits are usually granted instantly, altough during this week their stats have been failing a bit.

[Lagu]

Hej!

I have uninstall Boinc twice and reinstall it (using the same exe-file) and i is registred on Shofts "Top parcipants" with my Intel and the agent shows OK. The message says; "insuffient work, request more".

Lagu

[AQUAJOE]

Congrats to those of you that are helping on shoft not only have we taken 1st in total points but we also passed Nomads in RAC.

Way to go everyone. We need a few mor machines to give us that nice lead outfront.

Come one Come all.

Bring some noise and lets smash the competition in this Alpha Project!!!!


:walk: :wav: :greenjumpers: :walk:

[Ototero]

Really nice going guys.

We have our first number 1 spot. :D :D :D :D :D

=D< =D< :wav:

[NeoGen]

Shoft isn't updating the site's top teams stats for a week or so... :(

But I've seen each of the top teams points and we're first for sure :D

[AQUAJOE]

It's updating every 24 so far that I have seen.

[NeoGen]

Really?... hmm... maybe I need to empty IE's temporary internet files then...
To me the Top Teams (http://public.shoft.net/top_teams.php?sort_by=total_credit) page, sorted by Total Credit, appears with "Generated 11 Sep 2005 14:25:05 UTC" on the bottom.

[NeoGen]

It worked :D

Clearing the temp files of IE made it load up the page again from the source. I see it updated now :)

[daddygeek]

I was amazed that one of my computers is in the top 10 list. :D :D :D :D :D :D
and I have also noticed that BOINC does not like Linux. :cry: :cry:
but I have seen in the BOINC forum, all I need to do is to recompile the program. :roll:
it also says that Intel is the preferred processor :lol: :lol:

[AQUAJOE]

Hey I Broke 10,000 in the first 5 days.

Well huh!

[NeoGen]

Very nice indeed! :D

Can you break 20,000 in the next 5 days? :P

[AQUAJOE]

I don't think that will be an issue.

[gamer007]

Nice job. Too bad I only have 1 computer to run BOINC on. :-(

Anyone else having like a row of 4 WUs w/ errors? I just had it.

[NeoGen]

I never had them in a row, but I do have wu's ending with computational error often... :?

[AQUAJOE]

Hey Neo!!

I'm half way there already.

[NeoGen]

Just another 5,000 more for the end of this second challenge... :P

[Lagu]

Hello

I have run Softh for a while. Under this time a WU have been crunched. Then it has been sent. A new task have arrive and once again the same melody. After I joined Rosetta and began to run their WU, I got a lot of work units from Shoft instead of one and one. The same phenomenons happen on my other computers. Is there a concurrency between those projects that Boinc “know” and correct the situation if the settings are so that they both will run 60 minutes each?

Lagu :D

[AQUAJOE]

UM Hey NEO done with the next 10k . :sleepy2:

[NeoGen]

Very good! And how about a third challenge? :P

Through history there's always been a rivalry between the USA and Russia, hasn't it? And you're just 5,000 credits away from putting the usa ahead of Russia... so what do you think? :P

I won't say to compete with that guy on first place "bob" because that one is even outputting more than you :shock:
Unless that is, if you would put even more machines on it and take out absolute world number 1 on the project... ;)

[AQUAJOE]

Well I can throw another 20 3.0 HT's at it.

[AQUAJOE]

:?: So how do we get BOK or free-Dc to add shoft to there list so it can come up in the stats? They added Rosetta.

[NeoGen]

I think he can't add it for the time being. As far as I know, his boinc stats derive from Boinc Synergy's processed xml files, and Boinc Synergy on its turn goes out to get them on the projects websites. So only the projects who actually put out xml stats files are the ones featured in Boinc Synergy's stats site, and thus are the ones that go into Free-DC's stats.
:-(


But fear not because our statsman Ototero doesn't depend on either one of them, and keeps track of our position and points (both team and individually) so that we all get the credit we deserve on our stats page :)

[Ototero]

Rosetta and Xtremlab stats added.

Check tomorrow :D (my tomorrow ;) )

[Beerknurd]

Stu, you are truley amazing.

[AQUAJOE]

Ototero one thing I miss in our stats is daily points I like to watch to see how many points I get a day . I base my work loads to projects on that.

Is there a way we could add that?

[Ototero]

I'll look into it Aqua, obviously it's possible. Just wondering about how the output will look.

EDIT

I've made the changes to just the SOB column.

Discuss. :D :D

[Empty_5oul]

i think it looks good.

possibly now it is getting more complex along the top, we need that row to have the column headings so for viewing we know what numbers means what.

[AQUAJOE]

I agree with empty. Oldtimers would know but we have alot of newcomers that we would be explaining it to.

Other then that I think it looks good can you throw it on Einstein and shoft to see what it looks like?

[AQUAJOE]

Well I am about to open a can of whoopa$$. So watch the numbers go up.

I just hope they have enough work for me. :twisted:

[Empty_5oul]

AQUA - whilst it is stable with plently of units set your preferences to contact the server minimum times ( under preferences as "connect to network"). this gives you a decent cache so you get more work.

whilst a project has units it is best to put this up a bit (providing you can lose a little disc space). then if it goes down or whatever for any reason you have extra work so you dont lose out. then again when it gest low on work it is best to have 0.1 so you hammer the server constantly asking for units - the more time you requst units the greater the chance you get one (though you cache and store little so can be caught out).

[AQUAJOE]

Yea I am very familiar with the system.

I was just wooried cause I am adding 20 3.0HT's and I have already had troubles waiting for work.

I have my update set to every 6 days.

[AQUAJOE]

Well I just finished adding a bunch.
http://public.shoft.net/hosts_user.php?userid=270


We'll see what Alexander and BOB have for that!!!


:physassult:

[NeoGen]

I'd say they can only do one thing...


wave when they see you speeding by... :lol:

[PCZ]

AQUAJOE

Hope your getting paid for all those computer resources.
Seeing as how Shoft is a commercial project.

[NeoGen]

Shoft is created by a russian company with the purpose of someday to offer distributed computing solutions to its clients, but right now it is only a test platform very much alike Pirates@Home, Lattice, or PrimeGrid.
For now we're only there for the sport. There's no money to be seen from it. If someday it becomes commercial we'll deal with it then.

[Ototero]

Holy Sh!t Aqua, what a farm :shock:

[AMDave]

7 AMDusers in the Global Top 20.

Nice job Team.

[AQUAJOE]

:wav: :wave: :greenjumpers:

By Alexander.

[NeoGen]

If Alexander was a cop you'd be in trouble for speeding like that :lol: :lol:

Aqua, your RAC has even surpassed bob's too. And you're about 11,000 credits away from him. :)

[AQUAJOE]

Looks like BOB is going to put up a fight.

He's been holding back.
:dark1:

hmmnn what to what to do ???

I'll add more machines!! :twisted:

[NeoGen]

Bob's RAC has been raising naturally, it always raises as we keep crunching, but I'm betting that tomorrow we'll see the real difference between your scores. :)

It's a pity he has his machines list hidden... if not we could see how many GHz he has working on it. :P

[Lagu]

Hello

It is nice to use more computers than I have myself. In Sweden, there it is strongly forbidden to use my employer’s computers for distributed computing and porn. I can lose my work if I not respect that. Why is it so? Yes, the employer mean we shall work not have fun. They are even afraid to get viruses that can stop all Internet access between their mother company and head company. If it not should be forbidden, I should use my employer computer.
How is it for you out there? Is there any similar experience to above?

Lagu

[AQUAJOE]

It all depends on the company. Most are the same way. And that is a big NO.

In my case I am the boss so YES!

[Ototero]

Some of the companies I work for allow a limited use. No sports, no gambling etc.

Some are completely open, anything goes, except porn of course. That is a sackable offence almost everywhere.

[NeoGen]

All bosses should be more comprehensive like you :)

And now that a day has passed, it can be clearly seen that bob is on a rampage. His RAC is going through the roof :shock:

Could it be that this time you met your match Aqua? Or do you still have a few more tricks up your sleeve? :P

[AQUAJOE]

I still have about 20 more machines I can throw at it.

But they can only run in the eveninga and weekends.

[Beerknurd]

Well I'll keep 1st in Sztaki warm for you while your doing the Shoft thing. I can't keep up with the power your puting out...... So i'm sure you can get it back at any time..... Unless you wanna let me keep it for a while.... It would be nice to have a gold band in the stats...... :P


P.S.

Did anyone else get a chessbrain invite from the admin overthere... They gave me a link to do Beta testing..... ;)

[Empty_5oul]

sounds gd beer, i am running SZTAKI too :D .

cant say i got anything from CB.

[AQUAJOE]

Beer it's all yours.

I am not liking that I lost 2 positions in Einstein though!!!

[AQUAJOE]

I have turned off new work on shoft. When the work is gone (approx 4 days) I will be shifting back to Einstein.

[Beerknurd]

Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!

[Lagu]

Hello

I have now added my little poor Intel to Shoft. It is very interesting to see how my 3 computers handle their work units. From bottom to the top:

Intel Pentium 440BX II, 350 MHz 128 MB 100 Dimm-SDRAM Ram (New 1999)
Family 6 Model 5 Stepping 1
Core speed: 347. MHz
FSB: 99.3 MHz
Bus speed: 99.3 MHz
1 hour, 31 minutes, 21 seconds

AMD Athlon™ 5126 EA, 1001 MHz 640 MB Dimm-SDRAM Ram (New 2002)
Family 6, Model 4, Stepping 4
Core speed: 1001.8 MHz
FSB: 100.2 MHz
Bus speed: 200.4 MHz
31 minutes, 37 seconds

AMD Athlon™ 64 3200+ (Sempron) 2.25 GHz, 1 GB DDR-SDRAM Ram (New 2004)
Family F, Model C, Stepping 0
Core speed: 2247.4 MHz
System bus: 204.1 MHz
Memory frequency: 160.5 MHz
13 minutes, 08 seconds

Difference between Intel and Athlon 5162EA = 59.84 minutes
Difference between Athlon 5162EA and AMD 64 = 18.29 minutes
Difference between Intel and AMD 64 = 1 hour, 18 minutes, 13 seconds

Any comment to above?

Lagu :)

[Keith75]

AMD Athlon™ 64 3700+ 2.25 GHz, 1 GB DDR-SDRAM Ram
Family F, Model 7, Stepping 1
Core speed: 2376 MHz
System bus: 216 MHz
Memory frequency: 216 MHz
11 minutes, 44 seconds

[Anonymous]

It seems as my Kingston memory is to slow compare to the system bus.
What is wrong? Bad memory or? What type of memory is best and of who is the manufactory?

Lagu

[Lagu]

OOps! I wasn´t inlogged. It is too easy to write a message anonymous.

Lagu

[Keith75]

You would want pc-3200 memory. As for what brand I would try corsair, patriot, or OCZ.

Do you have yours manually set to 167MHz or did it default to that?

Keith

[vaughan]

No problems with Corsair DDR400 in my systems.

[PoorBoy]

Looks like BOB is going to put up a fight.

He's been holding back.
:dark1:

hmmnn what to what to do ???

I'll add more machines!! :twisted:

:shock: Who, me a LAMER :? hahaha :twisted:

[NeoGen]

Welcome to our forums bob!! :D


Don't mind that "lamer" emoticon, I'm sure it was without offense, just to brighten up the post.

Anyways... and since you're here, I gotta ask you... what mean machines have you got there to put such a fight against AquaJoe??? :P

I don't know if you read the whole thread, but he was fighting for 1st place (on Shoft's top participants) against you until a while ago, when he saw that people were sneaking behind his back on Einstein, so now he's there getting his 1st place (on the team) again and maybe later he'll come back to fight you again... so, technically you've won round one! :)

Hey... if you ever feel like crunching for an active, cheerful, and above all, *very competitive* team, you're more than welcome to join us! :)
And even if you don't wanna join us, you're always welcome... either way do come around more often and leave some posts... I am (and surely more people too) really interested in knowing what are you running there... a Cray XD1, or maybe IBM's Big Blue??? :lol:

See ya around bob! ;)

[vaughan]

I'd like to second NeoGen's welcome to you Bob : )

Hope to see some more posts from you. Enjoy. :)

[Anonymous]

I joined your Rosetta Team, it looks like they could use a little fire power ... :twisted:

[PoorBoy]

I joined your Rosetta Team, it looks like they could use a little fire power ... :twisted:

eeerrrggggg ... thats me, I wasn't logged in when I posted that ... :oops:

I'm just warming up @ Rosetta, haven't even run anything there for 3 or 4 days now, been to busy hammering the Shoft Project but I'll turn my array towards the Rosetta Site and see what the Team can do there ...

[AMDave]

Welcome to the AMD Users team, bob.

..and Yikes! =D<
Another smash entry at rank 1 :thumbleft:

is that a beowulf or PXE cluster in your basement ? :scratch:

[Ototero]

Nice one bob,

I'll see you in my stats with a coveted yellow sash :D

[Anonymous]

Bob!
I wish to say: very welcome among us AMDusers. :wav:
Lagu :D

[Anonymous]

Hello

I forgot to log in
Lagu :oops:

[NeoGen]

There you go again Lagu... :lol:

And as I was the one who extended the invitation to bob, I must say...

WELCOME ABOARD BOB!!! :D

And you still haven't answered us... is it beowulf, PXE Cluster, a Cray XD1, an IBM Big Blue, or something else? :lol:


EDIT: Ototero, hasn't bob got to wear the baby blue jersey for a week before he's awarded the yellow one? :P

[Ototero]

An interesting question.

We'll find out tomorrow whether blue is dominant over yellow. ;)

[Ototero]

Well.....we have our answer.

Blue....for days then Yellow. :)

[Lagu]

Hello

It seems to be wrong stats for me in Shoft. I have got 224.72 recent average credits. When looking at Top participants there I have only 188.98 in credits. Checking our team’s stats there, I have the right credits. Also, the agent shows far too low credits. Vaughan as have been in the back of me is now before me. This can’t be right. I hope they will set the right stats. It is difficult yes, impossible to write on the Russian language.

Anyone as have discovered that?

Lagu :cry:

[Lagu]

Hello

I have disappeared from Shoft. I have been running this project over I mouth I think and received 224 resent average credits. Suddenly my score fell down to 189. I continue to run it but today my score was 170 :cry: This got me to refuse this project. It is a scandal that they not have a forum for English spoken peoples or at least an E-mail address to the Admin if we got problems or need to contact them in any situations.
I have never seen such bad situation in any project. There is always easy to communicate to each other from Admin to other peoples.
I have instead joined Predictor using my Athlon 1001. It takes 1.5 hour running their tasks. It is yet better than Shoft if anything happen.

Happy SMART crunching to all who have contributed to run this Target :)

Lagu, this little boy (the avatar) as nothing know. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[NeoGen]

Lagu, you're looking at the RAC (Recent Average Credit) which always floats up and down depending on how much you have been crunching. It's just a measurement of recent activity to show how much active have you been lately related to others.
Your real score is on the Total Credit, of which you have 8,896.08 credits now that I check it... and you're on the top 10 participants worldwide! :)

[PoorBoy]

NeoGen's right, your RAC can drift around a lot depending on how many WU's you run for a Project. If you run less than you've been running then your RAC will drop, run more & it goes up. I personally don't even pay much attention to the my RAC Credit because I jump around from Project to Project so much.

I haven't had any problems with Credit's @ the Shoft Site to this point ... :)

[Lagu]

Hello

Ok now I know. I have run Shoft on 3 computers and I have 1 who can run Shoft but very slowly.

Lagu :)