Old projects need new crunchers (desperatly!)

[NeoGen]

I've been looking at our stats and noticing that we need some fresh blood (or should I say MegaHertz?:lol:) on some projects.
There are a few projects that our team is in that are falling on forgetness, that only one or two people still run them, and I was wondering if there would be anyone out there willing to spare a machine or two to try them.


1. DPAD - I have never ran this one, so I can't say much about it. I do hear that it may be a little tricky at first and/or need some babysitting. We could sure use help here.

2. EON - The Team made a great run on EON not too long ago, but right now we got very little people active on it. Maybe it's enough to maintain rank, but we should dare to dream higher!

3. Folding@Home - In spite of the "@Home" in the name, this isn't a BOINC project (yet, at least). It's simple to run once it's set up and pretty straightforward. I think it comes with a nice screensaver if you wanna watch it work.

4. Grid.org - Our lowest rank across the whole dashboard urgently needs some crunchers to help lift it up. In the last couple of months no more than two or three people have been working on it sporadically.

5. MoneyBee - A very low profile project, at least among our team. Almost no one talks about it, or even crunch it lately. That last part is a shame because on the position we're standing, the teams around us are practically stopped, so with very little effort we could go up alot of ranks.

6. Riesel Sieve - An old timer that has been forgotten for ages and has only been found by some members recently, and added to the stats. Haven't a clue on how it works but I do know that we need to pump up some more activity on it. That goes for both LLR and Sieving.

7. Ubero - Some people claim this project has a much better and more stable platform than BOINC. I can't tell it myself because I never tried it, but I don't doubt them. We're very well classified here, but help is always welcome.

8. ZetaGrid - After a long pause, that most people even believed it was the end, it has recently risen from its grave and it's back in force. Too bad that we're not also back crunching in force on it, because plenty of ranks could be gained.

9. PrimeGrid - The only BOINC project not to fall in the good graces of our team. Yours truly that is writing this was the only member to make it in the closed alpha stage, and gave the initial push for the team to reach top-20. Now that the accounts are open again, not many people have joined in, and even less have been crunching for it.


Remember everyone... Unpopular projects like these pointed out above are a great way to reach the top places on our team (because the competition is standing still), and maybe you can even get the so hard to earn Yellow Jersey that Ototero awards on our stats! :)

[NVM]

the only "tricky" thing about DPAD is getting the correct format of your team and nickname when the program starts up. you must use square brackets around your team name, then your nick:

example- [Team Ninja] NorthVanMike

i would also use the muon1_cmdline, not the screensaver or background versions(you'll see all versions in your dpad folder).

[Lagu]

Please members!

This is a proof of too many project. AMDave have warn of that, Now we will swallow the bitter pill.

Since a little more than 1 week ago I joined DPAD because Vaughan had told us there was in need of more power. What shall I use? My old Intel? I can’t jump here and there where it is a hopeless situation. If there is only 2 as is still running and one added to 3. What is realistic?
I may say: leave it and concentrate of more realistic project where we have a fair chance. It perhaps is possible if we all have 10 RIG´s. All who have a farm is concentrating in other project and will keep their stats.

Lagu :evil:
Not satisfied

[vaughan]

Too many projects - too few boxen :!:

---------------------------------------------

Currently:

P233mmx = Ubero
P166mmx + XP2700+ = RC5-72 & OGR25-P2
P3 750 = Predictor & Shoft
P4 2.66 = SOB + Red-Library + Dimes
2x P4 3.2 = SOB + eOn + Dimes
2x P4 2.53 = SOB + Dimes
XP2100+ = occasional FAD + BOINC LHC & Predictor + Dimes
XP2700+ = eOn + RC5-72 & OGR25-P2 + Dimes
2x XP2800+ = BOINC smorgasbord + Red-Library + Dimes
XP3000+ = BOINC seti + predictor + LHC + syztaki + burp + einstein + Dimes
XP3200+ = trying UD again + Dimes
A64-3500 = DPAD + Dimes


.

[NeoGen]

Vaughan, for a moment there I thought you had discovered a new project for boinc, "BOINC smorgasbord". :lol: Then I googled for it and understood that it means something like "a lot".

Lagu, I have faith that we got enough power to sustain all of them. The problem is these projects lost their popularity and are being forgotten among our users.
But this doesn't happen only here, it happens in all teams. Generally, new projects attract more users, and older projects tend to lose popularity. Which means that we don't need to equally spread the number of users across all projects to achieve ballance. Not at all. In fact, in all these projects half a dozen machines on them would be enough to maintain rank or even go up. The problem is that we have only two, one... or sometimes none. :?


p.s. - I forgot to add Evolution@Home to the list above. Umm... actually I didn't. The thing is... it's a complicated project to join, needs some babysitting, and the uploads must be done manually by email, as well as the downloads must be made manually from their website. So, if anyone wants to give it a try I'll be fully available to explain the process, but I don't encourage anyone to it, given that we have all these much simpler projects there.

[NeoGen]

Hey, I got one example,
I've been running MoneyBee since last week because I saw that no one was running it for a while and guess what? I've raised us back one rank again so if the month finished now we wouldn't lose ranks on this one. By tomorrow I hope to have gained us another rank or two so we get some more green on the stats on the end of the month. :cool:

So if my one machine alone can raise the Team some ranks, imagine two or three machines running it? :)

[vaughan]

I am unable to run Moneybee - it doesn't like me :cry:

Evolution - too complicated :!:

DPAD - its a ba$tard of a program because it hogs the CPU. If you change the processor priority to Idle it resets itself to Medium within 3-4 minutes. This causes other applications to get next to no cpu cycles.

[NeoGen]

That's an akward feature on a DC project... setting itself automatically to normal priority.
Has the muon1 developer been asked about it? Or why he chose to have it running on normal priority?

[Lagu]

I understand an appologice.

Lagu :)

[vaughan]

Hey Lagu - no need to apologize :!: Your opinions are valuable and needed when we are discussing issues. You made a good observation - we as a team, do jump on the new projects and sometimes forget our older projects. Anyone else got any comments on this topic?

NeoGen, BOINC smorgasbord is what I call the situation on one of my computers where I have joined or attached to ALL the BOINC projects I can.

[NeoGen]

Lagu, I'll second what Vaughan said. No need to apologize when you haven't offended anyone. Your oppinion is as good as (if not better than) mine. And I wish more people would participate in these debates on the forum so we could see everyone's point of view.
I'll be happy if in the end we gather a group of adventurers, with a handful of machines, that are willing to try the old ways of DC'ing again, before BOINC was even born. :P
Ok... no one be scared with what I just said please! It was basically the same thing but with less bugs/crashes/out of work/down times. :lol:


NeoGen, BOINC smorgasbord is what I call the situation on one of my computers where I have joined or attached to ALL the BOINC projects I can.
Hey, that sounds just like my own computer... :lol:

[Brucifer]

Ah, been a while since I did some Rieselsieve crunching. :) So back at it for a while under my Brucifer account, working on llrnet for a while.

Ran the ogr for a while. Got a little bored though. :roll:

edit: Was just looking at the personal stats for the rieselsieve llrnet stats, and I don't see Brucifer listed there, but Beerknurd (probably spelled it wrong -- excuse me) stats are showing here. My account is definitely listed under AMD_Users on the Rieselsieve site........... ?????? For both llrnet and sieving. Like yellow bar stuff...

[Ototero]

Hey 72,

Do you want your 72CJ5 acount merged with Brucifer?

Or the other way round? I didn't know you had a split personality :lol:

[AMDave]

Welcome back to LLR Brucifer
Dang it.
Yet another quiet approach on a rank 1 foiled. :?
It would have taken me ages to get there though :lol:

But passing TA is not out of the question (on Boks stats).

Any info about why the RS LLR page Team stats are so different to those from the CSV file they give Bok? In fact I see differences in the user stats they display and the stats on Boks page as well.

I'll ask Bok.

http://free-dc.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=93666#post93666

[Brucifer]

Hey 72,

Do you want your 72CJ5 acount merged with Brucifer?

Or the other way round? I didn't know you had a split personality :lol:


Just run them separately. I don't crunch on rieselsieve under 72cj5 as I just keep building on my points as Brucifer.

As for the dual.... :) The Brucifer is what I was using when I first started siueving for Lee. Lexx was and is primarily my Free-DC account, and 72CJ5 was/is for here. I have crunched for four teams mainly. Didn't used to be that you could keep one name and move between teams without losing a team's points when you wanted to crunch for another team. Distributed.net keep track of points for teams, so I crunch some of that for here, and some for FDC, and can use the same name so that my total personal score keeps incrementing no matter which team I crunch for. In the beginning I was with Team Seti - USA, which morphed into US-Distributed. Then Bok and I moved over to Free-DC. Then I crunched on one project for TeAm Anandtech (as Brucifer) until that project was terminated. There was a short period that I crunched for BBR on seti as Latah. But as things sit today, I crunch for Free-DC and AMD_Users. Lately I have been doing more for this team than FDC. Bok is a good friend and we have crunched together for a few years now, so I don't stray far or for long from Free-DC. As for why this team?? Well I'm primarily an AMD house, and this is a nice friendly team, and as things worked out there were prople crunching on some projects here that were not the "in" projects at Free-DC, so I just figured I'd crunch on those for here. Several people at FDC crunch for two or three teams.

So there you have it, my crunching covers are blown..... unlike BOB, who is still successfully evading.......... LOL



And it appears that AMDave and I do have some similar preferences in crunching projects. I don't intentionally head out and look for what you are crunching AMDave..... just trying to help the team get a better spot or two in the team rankings against other teams.

Bruce

[Ototero]

Thanks for that story Bruce. I've never cruched for another team. Who would do the stats if I left :lol:

[NeoGen]

Yep, great story there Bruce. Maybe one day, when I have as many years of DC'ing as you, I might have a rich and detailed story to tell too. :)
My story is much simpler really. For now, this is all I got...


When I first started crunching, at Seti@Home classic, and was still teamless I looked at all those teams with lots of members and stuff and thought it was so cool, so "Why not make my own team??"
And so I did, (my team was called GoldenYear1980, if my memory still serves...) but after a while crunching for my own team I saw it was going nowhere because members don't fall off the sky to join teams, and much less to my team.
Sometime around that I came across the AMD Users forums, while searching for stuff related to AMD, and I noticed they were into DC'ing but at a greater level than I had ever imagined. So many projects out there and I only knew Seti and a couple of other maths ones.
I kept coming around for a while as visitor only, and the environment was really nice and all. I learned alot just by reading up on what other people posted and by browsing the forums, and started participating on several other projects. And I saw other new members stepping up, registering on the forums and presenting themselves and the welcomes were always great and stuff, so I decided to join in too.
And on the 2nd of November of 2003, I joined the AMD Users forums! Here it is my very first post on these forums:
http://www.amdusers.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=1002&highlight=#1002

And ever since (practically two years already:shock:) I've been addicted to Distributed Computing and to this Team!! :D

[Brucifer]

Ah yes..... :) Seti@home. Where the greatest majority of us started out, and the world learned what could really be done with all those computers at home as well as the unused cycles on business computing assets.

That was a lot of fun, andI know I look back on it with many fond memories. RSAttack... :) crunched a lot on that one too.

And I'll bet that there are lots of interesting stories out there about how others got started and progressed to where they are at today in the DC world. :)

[PoorBoy]

[/quote]So there you have it, my crunching covers are blown..... unlike BOB, who is still successfully evading.......... LOL

Bruce[/quote]

bob works for the BIA ... :lol: :twisted:

[NeoGen]

bob works for the BIA ... :lol: :twisted:

Bob's working undercover on a top secret mission to expose and capture an international DC Terrorist (cheater) to end the world fear of a boxen holocaust... and to expose the truth about the alien technology (http://www.alienware.com/) that is being inserted in our society, that dramatically increases one's points on DC!

:lol: :lol:

That settles it... no more espionage movies or X-Files for me! :lol:

[Lagu]

Hey Lagu - no need to apologize :!: Your opinions are valuable and needed when we are discussing issues. You made a good observation - we as a team, do jump on the new projects and sometimes forget our older projects. Anyone else got any comments on this topic?

NeoGen, BOINC smorgasbord is what I call the situation on one of my computers where I have joined or attached to ALL the BOINC projects I can.

I´m glad to hear I don´t have tramp any on the toes. I´m always afraid for that. Buth further I know I shall stay with my words.
I have read what other wrote. I should be more menaingsful if there was a debat about how we shall handle and be doing in this situation.
I guess no one can say NO if I say there is too many project. We started a project or more. Then we move to another and the old project follow after us as a old ghost. Will we se these project as dead and buried? Or shall they go an new renessans oblige? Se there, two questions to answer.

Lagu :)

[Lagu]

Hej igen (Hello again)

One important aspect is: If we will create a debate, we shall not say: I can’t run this and that because bla bla bla. Not either tells our live saga. What we will do is: Forgot what you can or don’t can. Think instead of what the question really deal with. If we talk about other things, the debate can easyily derail.
NeoGen have not asked us about how do. He asked for assistance. But simultaneously there is a question like Shakespeare “To be or not to be” and we shall think upon that and nothing other.
If there is a relevant debate me and perhaps other will join. If debate is irrelevant we is only a "spectator".

Lagu :D

[AQUAJOE]

I am throwing a few cycles at Grid.org.

[NeoGen]

"A few" he says... :lol: :P

With the points you and Vaughan submitted yesterday we jumped 25 ranks :shock:

I might turn in my workunit tonight... it's 90% done and already with 63 hours of crunching. Hope it earns me a good bundle of points!

[AQUAJOE]

Yea a few :roll:

I wanna see how much damage I can do.

[Brucifer]

This is really a kick in the pants seeing some of the old projects getting a boost!!! :)

[Ototero]

We will only be "RED" on 4 projects at month end.

Shoft
Sztaki
WCG
WP


Not too bad :)

[AQUAJOE]

He said kick in the pants!! :crazy:


Hey moved up a couple more positions from yesterday!! :crazyeyes:

[NeoGen]

You're ahead of me in Grid.org already :shock:

Vaughan... take cover. You're his next target!

:lol:

[vaughan]

Yeah I see ... I might just wave as he overtakes me :hello2:

[daddygeek]

I wish I could move my points on Grid to AMDusers :cry:
http://www.grid.org/stats/members/compare.htm?un2=Daddygeek

I Stopped running this project because of no Linux support , and it looked to die because of no work (looks like they found a lot more work).

[NVM]

i gotta disagree. i love projects where points have to stay where they were crunched. all projects should do this.