Buying a new computer

[Lagu]

You as have bought a computer from Newegg how is it with the warmth/hot in the case? Any problem when for example the motherboard got to hot? Have you been forced install auxiliary fans?

I bonder buy an Fujitsu Siemens Scaleo Pa1113 AMD 3800+ dual core 2,4 GB, 2024 GB Memory.

Specifications:

Processor: AMD Athlon 64 3800+ 399
Speed: 2,4 GHz
Cache: 512 MB
Motherboard/Chipset: Nvidia nForce 4
Type of memory: 2x1024 MB DDR400
Internal memory: 2048 MB
Hard Disc: SATA 7200 Rpm 200 GB
CD/DVD: DVD/RW DL
Graphic card: ATI Radeon x1300 PCIe 64/512MB, Hyper memory, TV out
Sound card: Realtek ALC665 6-canals surround embedded on the MOBO
Keyboard: Standard USB
Mouse: Optical USB
USP/ports: USB 2/6
IEEE®1394
Paralellport
Serieport
CASE: Microtower
Network: 10/100
Memory card reader: 11-i-1
OS: Win XP HomeThis computer should cost 8,490 Swedish crowns ($1,167)

Another alternative:

HP Pavillion AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ 1024 MB, 2,4 GHz
Form factor: Tower
Motherboard: ???
Type of memory: DDR2 SDRAM
Hard Disc: 410 GB
PCI-Express x16 1 each
Graphic card: ATI Radeon x1300 Pro 250 MB
USB 2,0, 6 each
Firewire: 2 ports
DVD/RW (+R double stock) with Lightscribe
Mouse: Optical
Keyboard: Optical
Memory card reader: 9-i-1
OS: Win XP Media Center EditionThis computer cost 8,745 SEK ($1,202)

It has too large disc for me and only 1.024 Mb memory and is made for music, photos and multimedia but it is a 4200+. Is this computer a cruncher?

Any comments guys?

[vaughan]

Why buy a brand name instead of a "white box"?

[Beerknurd]

He may not know how to build a PC, or he may not have time...

[Lagu]

Vaughan, what will you say really? "White Box" is unknown for me.
The cause to why is I have a reseller in Sundsvall as build computers but he has so little to choose among. Sundsvall isn´t Sydney or New york unfortunately.

In reality I don´t like brand names. I should like to buy one local. You can watch this link from Sundsvall: http://www.shidas.com/

Tell me lather if he if he has a good cruncher to sell.

And if you not know I´m not used to build a new computer. I have newer tried it and I have no friend as can help me if I got problems. Among deaf peoples here no none can build a computer self.

[NeoGen]

All those machines are great but have way unnecessary things for crunching, like huge hard drives, and sound systems... could you ask the guy from that shop to build you a custom machine?
If he accepted, we would give you a list of good components (processor, memory, motherboard, etc...) for you to show him and he build you the machine with those components.

[gatekeeper53]

Lagu,

For $1,100 you can build a 5200+. Putting together a computer is so easy anymore that you should try it. It's almost down to slot A into slot B as the real work is getting the parts that are all compatible and I'm sure that the people here will help you with that. The 5200+ is a super overclocker that will give anything a run for it's money. Stock it should run 2200 to 2500 points in Tanpaku daily.

[vaughan]

Lagu,
By "white box" I mean a generic or not a name brand computer. As the others have posted putting together a computer from parts is pretty straightforward. The motherboard manuals with ASUS or Gigabyte m/b are very easy to follow.

Work out what you want this new computer to do.

If it is just for crunching you can get by with on-board graphics or a low end (cheap) PCI express card. On board sound is included in all motherbaords. A fast HDD eg a SATA drive is easy to install and has small cables to improve within case airflow. Buy a reasonable case, power supply and good RAM (the type will be determined by your motherboard eg the older style DDR or the newer DDR2 (the standard now with AM2 or Core 2 Duo boards). Add a copy of Windows as this gives better BOINC stats than Linux. Use your existing KVM so you don't have the expense of a monitor, keyboard and mouse and also use your existing network switch or hub to your broadband connection. Motherboards these days have on-board LAN so these just plug in to your hub via an ethernet cable.

[Lagu]

Dear mates!

Thank you all and my apologies for not replying to you all but I got a large headache today and have most been sleeping but now I’m OK.

I will tell I have prayed AMDave to configure a computer to me from Shidas. He accepted this challenge and use InterTran and wrote on Swedish to me to me. I’m very grateful for his kindness. But he told me he wished there should be more to choose among. I replied this guy have too little customers and had reduce his assortment. The cause why I prayed him was the fact I was unsure how mush I should choose of all as is needed to a computer. I will show it here and I hope AMDave understand why.

There are some parts as I’m unsure about and my purpose is you guys will help me change make or save parts as you find acceptable. Especially the MOBO is not the best. I have read comments on Newegg’s page and there I have found MOBO´s as is better and faster.

Here is the spec:

CPU AMD64 3800+ 939 $204,95
MOBO ASUS A8N5X 939 $136,17
RAM 512 Mb DDR 400 MHz $94,91
CPU-FAN Artic-cooling fan for AMD socket 939 $26,13
HDD Seagate 80 GB 2 Mb cache ATA $81,15
DVD-RW NEC-4570A Dual-layer -/+ 16X+ Nero $102,47
CASE Standardchassi with 420 W $48,14
(supply inclusive extra 80 mm fan)
OS Win XP Pro $223,46
Mouse Logitesch Optical mouse $21,87
KYBRD Logitesch ultra Extra keyboard $39,72
Total: $979

I know I can get it cheaper but I will support this guy. He needs money for food and roof over his head. When I have got all parts from you I well go to him and ask if he will build a computer using the parts as you all have choose.

I perhaps should have USB too and more ram. 2024 Mb cost $355 and Athlon 64 4200+ $328. Is memory not cheap today? May be I could replace 3800 with 4200.

[gatekeeper53]

Lagu,

Take a look at this list and see what you thing as far as a pure cruncher goes.

https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.asp?ID=3521872

And this Power Supply

Thermaltake W0093RU ATX 12V 2.0 Version 500W Power Supply - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817153028)

The case is a dream to work on and has 3 fans for cooling, the mem is top notch, and I can't see a better bank for my buck than the 4800+, this MoBo is the one I use and is easy to OC it does all the work.

[Evil-Dragon]

DVD-RW NEC-4570A Dual-layer -/+ 16X+ Nero $102,47 <---- how much for a DVD-RW drive?!? You can get a better drive (faster) for $43.48 from Dabs.com: http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4964&CategorySelectedId=11155&PageMode=1&NavigationKey=11155,43050000,50430

[Lagu]

I dont´t think a 500 W psu is nessesary. I think not connect a lot of hardware to the computer.

Check out this PDF-file: http://www.colorcase.se/webshop/include/article/11107.pdf

[Lagu]

DVD-RW NEC-4570A Dual-layer -/+ 16X+ Nero $102,47 <---- how much for a DVD-RW drive?!? You can get a better drive (faster) for $43.48 from Dabs.com: http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4964&CategorySelectedId=11155&PageMode=1&NavigationKey=11155,43050000,50430


Yes, it is too expansive. I have Nero software already and I can choose a CD/RW for $70 but it has no dual layer I think.

[gatekeeper53]

The reason I go with the bigger power supply is that I plan on using this case for my next 4 or 5 upgrades. As I upgrade in this case I move the old system to a $30 or $40 box.

[Lagu]

I have read about this MOBO and it isnt that bad as I was thinking about. All MOBO´s isn´t perfect. Peoples complains about all possible. But i should have a AM2 board with DDR2 memory but he hasn´t but I can tell him order the newest if it not is too expansive. Gigabyte got good rewievs and use DDR2 memory for Socket AM2.
I think i will choose Gigabyte.
GIGABYTE GA-M55SLI-S4 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128321)


Socket AM2 Athlon 64 X2/Athlon ...AAASUS A8N5X Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131569)

CPU

[Lagu]

Lagu,
By "white box" I mean a generic or not a name brand computer. As the others have posted putting together a computer from parts is pretty straightforward. The motherboard manuals with ASUS or Gigabyte m/b are very easy to follow.

Work out what you want this new computer to do.

If it is just for crunching you can get by with on-board graphics or a low end (cheap) PCI express card. On board sound is included in all motherbaords. A fast HDD eg a SATA drive is easy to install and has small cables to improve within case airflow. Buy a reasonable case, power supply and good RAM (the type will be determined by your motherboard eg the older style DDR or the newer DDR2 (the standard now with AM2 or Core 2 Duo boards). Add a copy of Windows as this gives better BOINC stats than Linux. Use your existing KVM so you don't have the expense of a monitor, keyboard and mouse and also use your existing network switch or hub to your broadband connection. Motherboards these days have on-board LAN so these just plug in to your hub via an ethernet cable.

Yes, it is enough have onboard graphic because i not need a loud from it. But I don´t have a KVM because all my computers has their own screens. A alternative is I should change the creen as is connected to my Intel as most the whole time is not used to the new computer. When Intel run Moneybee it is cool. But I beleive if I had a KVM-switch I can watch all my computers on one screen? However my wife use my old Athlon for watching Internet and E-mail.:)

[gatekeeper53]

Your right I clicked on the wrong processer I have the 4800 in 939, that is the AM2 version they are out of the 939 till 10/6.

[vaughan]

OK, instead of a hardware KVM you can use the free software from LogMeIn (http://www.logmein.com)

[Strongbow]

Hi Lagu,

Both systems are good although you could get much better at a lower price if you built it yourself or get it built for you by a company similar to this one http://www.vantagecomputers.co.uk/ (not sure if they will delivery to Sweden - just email them and ask!)

Note: The FSC and HP systems you listed can not be overclocked as both have the BIOS locked.

[gatekeeper53]

It's locked on this little piece of junk laptop I bought too. It'll be the last thing I buy assembled.

[Lagu]

Thank you Blackheath!
I have watched this site and it is a nice one. I use the configuraror and filled in or changed and added what I wanted and got this result.
However, it is little risky because it is from another country. If anything got damaged I must send it back I believe and it is a large cost here in Sweden. It isn’t cheap send a packet as weight 12 Kg and has a large box as is so wide. If I will send it International it will be yet more expansive. And they will I shall phone them if there is any problem but it is not so simple because I use my phone on a different manner than you as hear is used. But perhaps I can E-mail them if I told them about my situation. If I got a new computer as is a dual core I don’t need owerclock it.
I will E-mail them if I can buy a computer from them.

System Overview
System Case: Vantage Evolution Inspire Case
Power Supply: 500W Zoostorm PSU (26-32dB)
Motherboard: Asus M2N4-SLI Motherboard (Skt AM2)
Processor: AMD 64-Bit Dual Core X2 4600+ (Skt AM2)
System Memory: 2Gb Corsair DDR2 667 Dual Channel Memory (2x 1Gb)
Hard Drive: 80Gb Serial ATA300 7200RPM
CD Device: DVD Drive (16x)
Audio Device: 8 Channel Audio Integrated
Keyboard & Mouse Set: Keyboard & Optical Mouse Set
Monitor: 17 Inch TFT AMW Monitor (8ms/DVI)
Operating System: Windows XP Home SP/2 - OEM
System Warranty: Ad-Vantage 5 Years Return to Base Warranty
Build Services: Standard 7 to 10 Working Day Build

£655,46 8,999,50 Swedish crowns

Shidas in Sundsvall has no 4600+ but a 4200+ and this computer costs 9.890 SEK whish is 720,32 GBP. 8,899,50 SEK is a nice price for a 4600+. It is clear I will save costs if I can buy one. It is nearly 1,000 SEK cheaper:)

[Lagu]

I have sent an E-mail and it seems as they sell computers to France, Norway, Sweden among other. When I clicked on the Swedish flag the page changed and showed my native language.:)

I got a customernumber and now I will avait their answer.

[Strongbow]

Hi Lagu,

Due to your concern about what to do if the system ever fails and you have to send it back for repairs, I would strongly suggest going for the "Collect and return" option, that way they will pay for and organise the delivery back to themselves.

All of our Vantage branded PC systems can come with collect and return warranty. This means that should you experience problems with your PC and it is necessary for the PC to come back to base we will arrange collection of the unit from your location free of charge.

[Lagu]

Thanks for the tip. i understand what it means:)

[Lagu]

Blackhetah

Inc.VAT is it a form of tax as will be added on the nettoprice?
We has a type of tax in Sweden as is named Moms and is 25% of the price of the product I buy. If nettoprice is 9.000 SEK addional 2,500 SEK is added so full price is 11,250 SEK.
Whitin Moms all I will buy will be cheaper. But Sweden is Sweden with all different taxes on nearly everyting. Sweden is the country of the world as lies on the top for taxoutage. Not so strange we goes on our knees wighed down under all taxes.:)

[Strongbow]

TAX!!! :evil3:

We get 17.5% VAT (value added tax) here in the UK, I'm not sure how it works with regards to you purchasing the equipment from another EU member state. They will know I'm sure though, something else to ask them in that email!