D2OL versus Predictor

[BC]

To All,

Simple, but sincere question.....

Both Predictor and D2OL are working on the same thing..

Predictor uses the new generation of DC (BOINC), while D2OL
still uses the single host -> sponsor technique.

This is much like Seti classic (Seti @ home) versus the new
Seti - Boinc.

There's no cheating, and it takes a quorum to validate.

It looks to me as if we are somewhat split across the two.

Am I out of line in suggesting we consider focusing on 1 or the other?

Comments / Suggestions ?
BC

[em99010pepe]

I like D2OL and I'm going to use it for a while but you can split your processing power.

[BC]

Ok,
Then given we have a majority participating in D2OL.....
I will bias my processing toward Predictor for now.

If my crunching is needed on D2OL... Just hollar.


BC

* EDIT 28-Jun 0400 UTC *

We have slipped to #9 in top recent credits and #6 in top points. My efforts are needed there to keep us in the top 10 or higher as long as possible.

May I ask for help if needed?

*END EDIT *

[em99010pepe]

Ok,
I will bias my processing toward Predictor for now.


Just keep crunching my friend.

[chaz]

We have slipped to #9 in top recent credits and #6 in top points. My efforts are needed there to keep us in the top 10 or higher as long as possible.

May I ask for help if needed?

*END EDIT *

Just give a shout, I'll help ya.......

[em99010pepe]

Once I installed Predictor and suddently there was two windows, one for the program and the other was a DOS one. Was that normal or just an error?

[nickth]

Once I installed Predictor and suddently there was two windows, one for the program and the other was a DOS one. Was that normal or just an error?
Yes this happens under win 98. there was a fix to it in the forums under windows it was somethink like tellin the dos window to minimize when Predictor loads

[em99010pepe]

Is it possible to close that DOS window?

[nickth]

Is it possible to close that DOS window?

No you can not close it but this will keep it minimize. found this on predictor forum


Darrell
Joined: Jun 10, 2004
Posts: 1
Posted: 14 Jun 2004 3:06:45 UTC
Last modified: 14 Jun 2004 3:08:00 UTC


This was happening on my windows 98 system also. Thanks to Wdsmia you can do this to stop it. Using file explorer, locate the file named conagent.exe in windows system directory. Right click on it and then click on properties. In the properties window, click on the program tab, and on the last line 'Run', set it to minimized. Then click on OK. This will keep the annoying dos window from popping up when you're working on something else.

[em99010pepe]

Obrigado.

[chaz]

What does this project appeal to, high fsb or pure ghz?. I'd like to try it out, maybe 1 Intel, and 1 AMD to see how it runs.


http://predictor.scripps.edu/

[chaz]

****retracted****

[em99010pepe]

Strange but I get this on my AMD1,1 Ghz:

Measured floating point speed 1061.93 million ops/sec
Measured integer speed 2178.44 million ops/sec
Measured memory bandwidth 953.67 MB/sec

And you chaz:

AMD Athlon(tm) MP 2700+ Pentium

Measured floating point speed 979.52 million ops/sec
Measured integer speed 1864.32 million ops/sec
Measured memory bandwidth 953.67 MB/sec

Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz Pentium

Measured floating point speed 758.9 million ops/sec
Measured integer speed 1170.21 million ops/sec
Measured memory bandwidth 953.67 MB/sec

[chaz]

Thats funny, ur 1.1 is faster than Weiner's XP2500 even.
What version do you have?
Mine is Beta 3.07

Or, maybe it varies between WU's?

You didnt click the Merge button did you? :shock:

[em99010pepe]

Thats funny, ur 1.1 is faster than Weiner's XP2500 even.
What version do you have?
Mine is Beta 3.07


Mine is 3.19



You didnt click the Merge button did you? :shock:

Probably, I don't remember.

[chaz]

Where did you get 3.19?
I dont see it on the site, only 3.07

[em99010pepe]

Where did you get 3.19?


From BC:




Sounds like you need the BOINC 3.19 client.... Reset your preferences to 1.5 to 2 days and update BEFORE you upgrade.

The executable, as distributed by SSL is at:

http://www.tumoeng.com/boinc_319.zip the exe is inside.

shut down all BOINC before upgrading... then upgrade. it will auto-benchmark when restarted.

Once you see how many WUs you get the first download, adjust accordingly..... you can stay disconnected while it runs and then 'un-disable network access' when ready to upload.


also do NOT leave the window open or minimized ... hit the X and close the window.. that frees up the Mutex inside and lets its run full speed.



enjoy

[chaz]

ok I'll give it a try, thanks

[chaz]

The benchmarks look better, but WU completion time hasnt changed much at all.Hopefully i just got a few big ones...Thanks pepe,BC.

[Anonymous]

Thats funny, ur 1.1 is faster than Weiner's XP2500 even.
What version do you have?
Mine is Beta 3.07


Mine is 3.19



You didnt click the Merge button did you? :shock:

Probably, I don't remember.

The differences are because of benchmark changes between versions.
The Seti Beta team (us) proved the need for a complete overhaul (phased) to deal with the AMD64s and Intel HTs.. 3.19 & 3.07 are completely different.... Notice that the memory speed is fixed... this is on purpose. Also, merging has no impact. The 'update' function in the GUI is what updates the #'s..... and the benchmarks are in the GUI (aka CC).

BC

[Anonymous]

I listed (on my web page) a quick way to get 3.19.... you're welcome to grab it...

shutdown all BOINC first (exit)... and then run the installer.
On first startup it will re-benchmark... it's MUCH more accurate.
When you hit 'update' for each project will update your benchmark #'s.
It will have no impact on which application you re running for each project.

I am running 3.19 w/ predictor's 3.06 app, and Seti's 3.08 (?) app.

You will find that 3.19 CC is more stable and has less upload/download problems than 3.07. It also implements high/low watermark job downloads and better HT / multi-cpu management.

Hope this helps sort out the confusion.


BC

[em99010pepe]

Today we are going to get 14th place in D2OL.

14 Team Ninja 341,605 6,832,022 -19.88 (1) Mar 26, 2003
15 AMD Users 339,727 6,794,490 -19.26 (7) Aug 27, 2003

[Beerknurd]

Just as Chaz's avatar so bluntly states.....

http://www.amdusers.com/modules/Forums/images/avatars//79985954940e724070c36a.jpg

I have no AMD processor but I am contributing to the stats as well.

So I recommend that Chaz change his avatar to:

http://beerknurd.4t.com/1082372450405e1bb424a0b.jpg

Any objections???

[em99010pepe]

If you go here (http://predictor.scripps.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=1723) you will see that chaz has 8 AMD-Pentium's!

[Beerknurd]

I know... Just want to let everyone know that my Pentium 4 is pretty fast too... :cry:

[chaz]

Yes your P4 is fast, as a matter of fact I just HAD to try one just to see how great they are. The last true Pentium I owned was a 233MMX,lol.
I thought it would make a big difference with video editing, and I got the Prescott with the 1mbL2, but it wasnt as astounding as I had hoped..
I will say it wouldnt surprise me if I could fry eggs on this puppy, man it runs HOT.
But on projects like Ubero and SOB where fsb is loved, these things fly, no doubt about that.

Also I have another board here for a socket 478 cpu, but I had a bad flash when upgrading through Windows with Gigabytes @bios software. :cry:

I've been thinking of upgrading my Laptop, which has a 2.6 Celeron(benchmarks about equivalent to an XP2000 :cry: ), and moving up to a P4 2.8 400fsb, then i could use the Celery to crunch also, but havent done it yet. First I guess the board has to go back to Gigabyte.
D2OL doesnt like Intel cpu's, thats for sure.

[Anonymous]

Just as Chaz's avatar so bluntly states.....

http://amdusers.com/modules/Forums/images/avatars//1082372450405e1bb424a0c.jpg

I have no AMD processor but I am contributing to the stats as well.

So I recommend that Chaz change his avatar to:

http://beerknurd.4t.com/1082372450405e1bb424a0b.jpg

Any objections???

LOL, I tried but it's too big, has to be less than 120x120 or it wont go.

[Beerknurd]

I'll fix that

[chaz]

If you go here (http://predictor.scripps.edu/hosts_user.php?userid=1723) you will see that chaz has 8 AMD-Pentium's!

I dont have these machines because Im on some kind of power trip, Lord knows for what they have cost over the last couple of years, I could have probably had my Hot Rod finished, or my pickup lifted with new meats and probably some sheetmetal and paint also.
I have them because i enjoy building them and I suppose maybe I got a bit carried away.


EVERYONE'S computers are a great help to this team, whether it be 1 or 50, thats why we are a team.

Just because I have 9 doesnt mean shit, so I'd appreciate it if you would stop doing that.

[chaz]

I'll fix that

I'm not too swift with Photoshop, but if you want to fix it, i'll put it up. :D

I think it took me about 3 hours to do mine.

[em99010pepe]

chaz,

You didn't understand the basis of my statement. They considerer AMD as Pentium. This is the question...Look at the names.

Do you think i'm crazy?

From now on I will not reply to your posts.

Have a nice day,

Pepe

[chaz]

Then point your link to your own PC's.... OOOPS I forgot theyre hidden.

I'm sure I'm the only one who took it that way too. :roll:

In case you did not know and AMD is one of the Pentium alternative cpus on the market. Notice when you look at a software the label it will state the pentium class (or equivalent cpu) that is required to run the software(or hardware for that matter). Thats probably whats going on with boinc, it may recognize an AMD, but still considers it an alternative P-rated processor. Manufacturers developed a P-rating system provide a consistent, and easy-to-understand method for rating processor performance.

[Beerknurd]

I did this really fast.... Any other idea's

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-7/766666/103.JPG

[chaz]

That is SWEET. I think it looks good

[Beerknurd]

Well thank you...... :mrgreen:

[chaz]

So does that mean I have to get rid of mine now? :shock:

[Beerknurd]

no way... I was just bored. :cool:

[chaz]

Ok cool. :P
Even though i have an Intel :oops:

[Beerknurd]

BC was making fun of it.... I think it's cool.... I'll keep my artistic creations to myself next time.... :-(

[chaz]

Well, you know that was bound to happen. Somebody's gotta give ya a little hell about it. I think it looks good, besides, there are others here who own Intel machines too.

Opinions or artistic creations are a part of who we are, and thats what makes us unique, eh?

There are many out there running projects on machines that arent even theirs (hence the borg), so.....

[Beerknurd]

Maybe BC would like to try to design a logo/avatar......

[chaz]

Actually the text in mine is from another I found on the net, there wasnt any copyright info on it, so i took it :twisted:

I just did the lightning part, but had a heck of a time with the layers.

btw, i dont know what FOF means