quad Cores

[mitchellds]

I see Intel just slashed prices massively especially on the quad core Q6600's. The are now only 266.00 ea., and sold out at newegg.com I guess I'll order a couple more at this price.

AMD really needs to get that Barcelona quad core out asp (Aug release now), and make it price comparable. I hear that they are going to release the early cores running at a low 2.0 ghz. Hopefully the internal core magic is strong enough to keep pace with the Q6600 at the lower clock rate. Only time will tell.

Reference:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/07/06/29/2057231.shtml

I would love to upgrade my dual socket F to 8 total cores. That would be the bomb.

[LeBo]

Where the link for 266.00 because I'm getting 299.99. I would like one those. I've only had one Intel CPU and that was in 1991.

[mitchellds]

its 266.00 in quantities of 1000, the avg rate is around 300 ea right now from all of the normal guys. http://www.pricewatch.com/cpu/core_2_quad_q6600.htm

[PoorBoy]

its 266.00 in quantities of 1000, the avg rate is around 300 ea right now from all of the normal guys. http://www.pricewatch.com/cpu/core_2_quad_q6600.htm

Yeah, was just going to mention that if Intel dropped the Price to $266 then your not going to be able to buy it for that unless you buy a Gazillion of them ... :icon_lol:

Think I'm going to just go with what I've got for now and see what the 8 Core CPU's will be like when they come out with them & how much if any upgrading of the other Parts I have now that I'll have to do ...

[mitchellds]

Poorboy, if you buy any more quads, your gonna prob need one or two of these to power em. heh heh

http://www.fotosearch.com/UNY002/u12591888/

[Frederic Brillouet]

Yeah, was just going to mention that if Intel dropped the Price to $266 then your not going to be able to buy it for that unless you buy a Gazillion of them ... :icon_lol:

Think I'm going to just go with what I've got for now and see what the 8 Core CPU's will be like when they come out with them & how much if any upgrading of the other Parts I have now that I'll have to do ...
i thought you bought em per 3000 or so :icon_lol:

btw in holland they are 250 euros, they're even tempting me

[Strongbow]

Poorboy, if you buy any more quads, your gonna prob need one or two of these to power em. heh heh

http://www.fotosearch.com/UNY002/u12591888/

LOL! ...and that's just one of his CPU coolers! :icon_wink:

[Frederic Brillouet]

i wonder how good the barcy's are gonna be cause i'll wait for them to come out now. if they're not that good, there might be 2 intel quads coming to crunch for me:(

[mitchellds]

we need some good benchmarks comparing the q6600 and AMD's best. I dont think we'll get those until release time in Aug. especially if the benchies dont stack up to Intel. AMD wouldnt want these released early if thats the case. Everything I read said that if they released on schedule way back when and didnt have the slipage in release date to today, it might have been a different price/power comparison that what we're gonna get now.

[Bender10]

I'll be in Amsterdam Thursday Frederic.....just passing through. Not any time to buy computer parts...

[PoorBoy]

Poorboy, if you buy any more quads, your gonna prob need one or two of these to power em. heh heh

http://www.fotosearch.com/UNY002/u12591888/

:icon_lol: ... I'll start building One or Two right away ... :icon_wink:

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/UNY/UNY002/u12591888.jpg

[LeBo]

Newegg went back up to 345.00.....:-(

[PoorBoy]

Newegg went back up to 345.00.....:-(

You may have to wait a few weeks to get 1 at a reasonable Price, I'm sure right now everybody that was leaning toward going with a Intel Quad are jumping all over them now with the latest Price Drop.

In a few weeks or sooner if you just keep doing Price Search you should be able to pick 1 up in the $275-$295 range, I wouldn't pay more than that now that the Mass Purchase Price has dropped to $266 ...

[LeBo]

They're back up to 375.00 now at Newegg and in stock. I believe I'll wait a while longer.

[Brucifer]

Voila, instant farms!

[vaughan]

You should buy them here in Oz.

At www.itestate.com.au they have them for AUD329 which is USD291.53

[LeBo]

Anyone still looking for a quad core for under 300.00. Here they are


http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80864

[Jason1478963]

I think i'll wait for a good quad core.

[PoorBoy]

I think i'll wait for a good quad core.

Yeah your right Jason, those Intel Quad's really Blow, thats why I ordered another 1 to see if they have improved them any ... :)

[Jason1478963]

Sorry to hear that. I didnt think its that much faster then the AMD x2 6000. You should have saved for a good quad core instead of wasting your money on the quad core wannabe :P

[PoorBoy]

Oh well you can't win them all, I'll just have to plod along with what I got and take a back seat to everybody else I guess ...

[Strongbow]

...I'll just have to plod along with what I got and take a back seat to everybody else I guess ...

LOL! :icon_lol: ...yeah right, we wish! ...your dust cloud settled ages ago, no way am I going to see you on the horizon! :icon_lol:

[mitchellds]

Yup, I just ordered another one also, just to make sure they still out-produce the virtual quad core Barcelona cores that I don't have in my farm yet. :icon_rolleyes:

[Brucifer]

Yup, I just ordered another one also, just to make sure they still out-produce the virtual quad core Barcelona cores that I don't have in my farm yet. :icon_rolleyes:

ah yes, I have heard about those... the Vapor Cores are supposed to be the absolute ultimate in the virtual world... :rolleyes:

[Strongbow]

ah yes, I have heard about those... the Vapor Cores are supposed to be the absolute ultimate in the virtual world... :rolleyes:

Now Now! keep the faith! ...it'll all be alright once we get past Budapest and start using Shanghai :icon_redface::icon_rolleyes:

[LeBo]

Just ordered a qad core with a Giga-Byte m/b and 2 gigs of Corsair memory. First Intel I've had in a long, long time.

[Brucifer]

I just about did the same... howsomever I am a hard core jeep nut, and figured that I could use 4.56 gearing in my short jeep along with a couple of True-tracs. So there went the quadcore.

But it is getting hard to resist the "evil empire" LOL as those competitors hot running nasty old quad cores sure run their points up in a hurry. Makes it hard to remain true and blue to amd.

[mitchellds]

Hey, I've got a nice dual socket F motherboard just itching for 2 quads so I can run 8 cores, if it were only out there to purchase. Hey, I'd even buy another one of these boards so that I could keep running these opty 2216's....

if only.............:rolleyes:

[Strongbow]

Which Gigabyte board did you get?

I bought the DQ6 back in May, tough little thing - very very good at O/Cing!

[PoorBoy]

Which Gigabyte board did you get?

I bought the DQ6 back in May, tough little thing - very very good at O/Cing!

I use the Gigabyte DQ6 for all my Quads, it's a fairly good board as long as you don't try to go to far with it, then some Quirkiness starts to pop up with it.

When I get the latest Quad I ordered (Should be here tommorrow) I'm gong to try it on an ASUS P5W DH Deluxe Board I have and see how it run's on that. I have another DQ6 Board laying here just in case the ASUS has problems but I want to try it first anyway.

[LeBo]

I am getting the Gigabte GA P35 DQ6 M/B.

[Ototero]

From an article posted in www.computerweekly.com.

AMD chip enables growth without power overheads

by Cliff Saran (editorial@computerweekly.com?subject=AMD%20chip%2 0enables%20growth%20without%20power%20overheads)
Monday 30 July 2007
AMD (http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2007/07/20/225687/amd-stabilises-market-share-decline.htm)'s next-generation quad-core AMD Opteron (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_8825,00.html) server processor, code-named Barcelona, promises to address power and cooling issues affecting datacentre expansion (http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2007/06/05/224523/storage-industry-ponders-power-efficiency.htm).
Due out in September, AMD's Barcelona chip could provide IT managers with a way to expand a *datacentre without increasing power and cooling requirements.


AMD said the processor operates at 68 watts - the same power as its previous dual-core processor - yet it boasts a 50% improvement in floating point performance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLOPS), and a 20% gain in integer performance. Furthermore, existing dual-core Opeteron servers can be upgraded to the new chip.
Bruce Shaw, director of worldwide marketing at AMD, said, "Performance improves with no *additional power and cooling *requirements."
He added that AMD staff were able to install the Barcelona processor in users' existing systems and upgrade the server's Bios in about 10 minutes.
To reduce power requirements, each processor core can be run independently at different frequencies. AMD has also provided dual dynamic power management and independent voltage planes for processor cores and the memory controller, which it said helps to reduces processor energy consumption by enabling more granular power management capabilities.
Essentially, each processor core is able to operate at reduced power consumption levels while the memory controller continues to run at full speed. AMD said this not only reduces the processor's power consumption, it allows memory speeds to be increased, which boosts overall performance.
In addition, AMD's Coolcore technology is used to reduce processor energy consumption by turning off unused parts of the processor.
Shaw said, "100 racks of dual-core servers with 8,000 cores can be upgraded to 16,000 cores, giving an improvement in performance of between 40% and 70%, with no need for additional cooling or power."

[Nflight]

Ototero that really is fantastic News on the Barcelona, What I found was just as enthusiastic though so I thought I would share! ......:icon_mrgreen:

New eight-core "Sandtiger" set for 2009 on third-generation Opteron platform :blob3:

AMD previewed its third-generation Opteron platform during the company’s Technology Analyst. The third-generation AMD Opteron platform is set for a 2009 debut with a new Sandtiger-core processor. AMD’s current Socket 1207 platform is the Opteron’s second-generation platform and designed to accommodate Opteron revision F, Barcelona and the 45nm die-shrink Shanghai processors.

Sandtiger ups the core ante with eight-cores. AMD will manufacture the octal-core Sandtiger on a 45nm fabrication process. Sandtiger introduces HyperTransport 3.0, or HT3, to AMD’s server and workstation platforms. The processor will have four HyperTransport links with a new Direct Connect 2 infrastructure.

Sandtiger will also support DDR3 memory. The third-generation AMD Opteron platform will be the first platform to support G3 Memory Extender, or G3MX, technology for larger memory capacities. The platform also supports PCI Express 2.0.

New server and workstation chipsets will accommodate the new platform. AMD makes no mention on socket compatibility of the third-generation Opteron platform, but AMD’s track record shows socket changes with a new platform.

Before Sandtiger, AMD has Shanghai up its sleeves. Shanghai will be the 45nm shrink of Barcelona. AMD has Shanghai on the roadmap for a 2008 launch to replace Barcelona. Shanghai will drop into existing second-generation AMD Opteron platforms.

Shanghai features minor improvements such as a 6MB L3 cache and IPC improvements. The core will continue to have 512KB of L2 cache per core with three HT1 links. Registered DDR2 memory continues to be the memory of choice for Shanghai.

Expect AMD to unveil its third-generation AMD Opteron platform with G3MX technology and Sandtiger core in 2009 and Shanghai around the second half of 2008.

http://www.dailytech.com/AMD+Talks+OctalCore+Opterons/article8200.htm

[Ototero]

What I need now is six jobs to pay for all the cpu's I want :(

[PoorBoy]

What I need now is six jobs to pay for all the cpu's I want :(

Good thing I'm Retired, I'd hate to have to actually work to pay for the new Toy's I get. I just got the 8'th Quad up and running ... :icon_mrgreen:

[Frederic Brillouet]

Good thing I'm Retired, I'd hate to have to actually work to pay for the new Toy's I get. I just got the 8'th Quad up and running ... :icon_mrgreen:
you just love to rub it in eh :icon_lol:

[Brucifer]

yeah, retired too.

A bone to pick though... take for instance the 939 3800 X2, and then "they" said, gee, time to move that to AM2, for the upgrade path... of course... I think they meant the upgrade path to the fat cats wallets that own the company, stock, etc., cause I sure don't see or hear of any AM2 releated new cores. So really, once again it's just a major "bucks extraction technology" effort on their part. Now there's the upgrade if you just happened to be running the correct opteron m/b, but for the masses it isn't there. Hopefully I'm wrong and haven't read anything about new chips for AM2 stuff........... ???

[LeBo]

Bruce you're right. How else would they keep the money rolling in. Those guys just set round thinking of ways to get our money. Chasing after technology will put us in the poor house.

[PoorBoy]

Bruce you're right. How else would they keep the money rolling in. Those guys just set round thinking of ways to get our money. Chasing after technology will put us in the poor house.

Intel's the same way, almost every time they come out with a new CPU you have to buy the CPU & Motherboard, lots of times the Memory too.

When I went from the Ancient P4's to the Core 2 Duo's I had to buy the above 3 plus new Video Cards too, but that was to be expected I guess seeing as the P4's were so outdated. Going to the Quads I had to get new Power Supply's too for most of the Cases, I got away with the PSU's I had with the C2D's but for the Quads I had to get 6 new PSU's in order for them to run ... :icon_rolleyes:

[LeBo]

Well guys, I m now on my new quad 6600 as I post this post. And I shall try to O/C it soon. Any pointers on how to do it best.

[Frederic Brillouet]

Well guys, I m now on my new quad 6600 as I post this post. And I shall try to O/C it soon. Any pointers on how to do it best.
:5eek:intelllll

[PoorBoy]

Well guys, I m now on my new quad 6600 as I post this post. And I shall try to O/C it soon. Any pointers on how to do it best.

Lebo, this BIOS setup should get you to 3.01Ghz, I show the F10 BIOS that I have in my DQ6's but these settings will work with any DQ6 BIOS as I have used them with all the BIOS for the Board. These are the Main BIOS Settings you should be concerned with when Overclocking, any other settings should be pretty much standard or to your likings.

Any higher than 3.01Ghz & your on your own and it will more than likely involve some Voltage setting changes. I haven't gone any higher than 3.01Ghz on my DQ6's & Q6600's because it's to hot out now and they run comfortably at that speed with aftermarket fan's installed, this winter I will go for more though.

Get a good Quad CPU Temprature Monitor such as Core Temp [http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/CoreTemp/] to Monitor your CPU Temp's. Anything higher than 60c-65c and I would look into getting a better CPU Cooler, 60c-65c is even higher than I like them to run but they will run at that Temp just fine. Mine run between 45c & 70c depending on the cooler they have and where they are located in the room.

[BIOS F10]

PBT-All BIOS Settings @ 333FSB = 3.010Ghz

Once you see the BIOS Screen Press Ctrl & while holding down Ctrl to Press F1 too,
this will allow you to see some extra Settings in the BIOS under [MB INTELLIGENT TWEAKER (M.I.T)]
that you won't see unless you do that first ...

333FSB = 3.010Ghz

[ADVANCED BIOS FEATURES]
Limit CPUID Max to 3..........................Disabled
No-Execute Memory Protection..................Disabled
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E).......................Disabled
CPU Thermal Monitor 2C (TM2)..................Disabled
CPU E1ST Function.............................Disabled
Virtualized Technology........................Disabled
Full Screen LOGO Show.........................Disabled
Init Display First............................PCI

[MB INTELLIGENT TWEAKER (M.I.T)]
Robust Graphics Booster.......................AUTO
CPU Clock Ratio (Multiplier)..................9
CPU Host Clock Control........................Enabled
CPU Host Frequency (MHZ)......................333
PCI Express Frequency (MHZ)...................100
CIA2..........................................Disa bled
System Memory Multiplier......................2.00
Memory Frequency (MHZ)........................??? <[ This is shaded out, for Your Info only & will read per the Memory you have installed]
DRAM Timing Selectable........................AUTO <[The next 4 settings can be either AUTO or set to your Memory Timings ie 4-4-4-12 or whatever your specific Memory reads]
CAS Latency Time..............................AUTO
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay.......................AUTO
DRAM RAS# Precharge...........................AUTO
Precharge Delay (TRAS)........................AUTO
ACT to ACT....................................AUTO
Rank Write to Read Delay......................AUTO
Write to Precharge Delay......................AUTO
Refresh to ACT Delay..........................0
Read to Precharge Delay.......................AUTO
Memory Performance Enhance....................Normal

System Voltage Control........................Manual
DDR2 OverVoltage Control......................Normal
PCI-E OverVoltage Control.....................Normal
[G] MCH OverVoltage Control...................Normal
FSB OverVoltage Control.......................Normal
CPU Voltage Control...........................Normal
Normal CPU Voltage............................1.30000V
[BIOS F10]

[LeBo]

Thanks Poorboy, I'll give a try. I'll let you know how it's running.

[LeBo]

I just can't believe how this quad core is preforming. In fact, it is out producing two duel core AMD 6000+ and a FX-60 combined. WOW these things are crunching machines that are well worth the money. Intel sure has a winner here. AMD better get off their a**

[PoorBoy]

Have you Overclocked it yet, and if you did how high ... ???

[LeBo]

I am walking it up slowly. Right now it is at 304 on the FSB which is 2.74 Ghz and not a skip. This also on Windows Vista x64. Oh yes, it's running a temp at 51 C.

[PoorBoy]

I am walking it up slowly. Right now it is at 304 on the FSB which is 2.74 Ghz and not a skip.:):):):)

Cool, I've bumped mine up just a Tad to 340FSB @ 3.06Ghz, I actually lowered the CPU Voltage on the DQ6 Board to 1.285V from 1.3000V ... The CPU runs cooler and it's still Stable, been running them all like that for 3 day's now without any problems ... :)

[LeBo]

I couldn't get Core Temp to run on it because it stated that it could't load the driver:sad5:. So I'm using SpeedFan 4.32

[PoorBoy]

Did you try both versions 0.94 & 0.95, I think some PC's have trouble with 0.95. I know I have to use 0.94 on some of my PC's because 0.95 reboots the PC when I start Core Temp up ...

[LeBo]

Did you try both versions 0.94 & 0.95, I think some PC's have trouble with 0.95. I know I have to use 0.94 on some of my PC's because 0.95 reboots the PC when I start Core Temp up ...

I used 0.95, I'll try the .094. Thanks for the info. I am using the 64 bit Vista.

[PoorBoy]

I used 0.95, I'll try the .094. Thanks for the info. I am using the 64 bit Vista.

If your running 64-Bit Vista then read this Thread at the Core Temp Support Center. You have to disable Driver signature in the BIOS plus do a couple of other things it appears to me to get Core Temp to work ... http://www.alcpu.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=211

[Jason1478963]

Does this mean you guys are willing to sell some of your AMD dual cores for CHEAP?

[PoorBoy]

Does this mean you guys are willing to sell some of your AMD dual cores for CHEAP?

Why certainly, you can have all mine for Free ... :icon_razz:

[AMDave]

hee hee.

If he yanked your chain any harder he'd pull the ship under LOL
He doesn't have any, Jason.
Although rumour has it he'll give an August quad a spin.

(Where are they! It is the 2nd week! Hit the market already damit)

[LeBo]

Man oh Man, these Q6600 are sweet running processors. I love this one I have and my next one will be just like this one (hopefully soon)...... :icon_twisted:

[Lagu]

It is soon time change name from AMDusers to INTELusers?:icon_lol:

[LeBo]

It is soon time change name from AMDusers to INTELusers?:icon_lol:


AMD needs to do something soon or just forget about being the fastest CPU around. Intel rules as of now

[Jason1478963]

Fast is nice, but so is cheap :) I'll stop crunching before I BUY an Intel. I also have a high enough electric bill for the summer. I dont know how some of you guys can run so many. I had to shut a few of mine off for the summer to take the load off of the a/c. When we get into the fall and winter months I may consider replacing a few older units with an AMD quad core. I think they will be ready before I need to add more heaters to my house.

[NeoGen]

I think they will be ready before I need to add more heaters to my house.
No house needs heaters in the Winter, it just needs more computers crunching 24/7! :icon_mrgreen:

[CarcinogenX]

I was just at the AMD site reading about the release of the dual core opteron, slated for "mid 2007"
This is August 2007 right? Or did I set my clock wrong?
It says the new quads have:

• Same thermal envelope and socket as
AMD Opteron™ processors with DDR2

So does that mean AM2?