Phenom - Bad News

[drezha]

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3153

Not as good as Q6600. yet.

[mitchellds]

no surprise here. plus there will be no comparison when both chips are overclocked to their respective max values. I have a intel q6600 OC to 3.6 ghz, right now, I'll be lucky to get 2.6 from a Bercelona, the new phenons? who know yet. The intel quads will still be the pants off the amd quads I bet. I'm already reading that as far as the AMD quad barcelona goes. Add to this that the price will still be higher for the AMD quads, and you have a slim reason for a massive sell from AMD. Sad. AMD needs to get on the ball asap.

[LeBo]

Bad news for AMD and good news for Intel

[gatekeeper53]

I think AMD has lost their focus. The reason that many of us got into AMD was the fact that with a little knowledge and work on our part we got a chip that gave us a great value and a lot of "bang for our buck". It seems that now they are trying to compeate with Intel on a level playing field (the priceing sure bears this out) and they are comming up lacking. The last intel I had was a PII and I hate to say it but the way it looks now my next system will have Intel inside.

[LeBo]

For the price and for crunching the Intel Q6600 can't be beat. I have 2 now with a third on tab for ordering. At one time, all I had was AMD and until AMD gets off the pot I will continue to buy Intel quads. I still like AMD but Intel whips the pants off them right now..:icon_mrgreen:

[Brucifer]

And not to forget that intel is supposed to be selling their new 45 thickness chips in 90 days, like 90 days that you can actually touch one. And not any reason to doubt that it will blow the socks off the new amd stuff.

Not to forget also that performance wise, amd is also supposed to be selling their new two thousand dollar video card........... of course I don't look for any volume sales on that to save amd's butt. Something happened within amd management. don't know what, but something had to have, cause this isn't the same old amd. As one of the members said in another thread, it looks like amd is going the way of the Dodo bird. And I guess I'm gonna help it cause I'm off to pick up a Q6600 today. Just got tired of waiting for amd to release all this new "killer" stuff. Sigh................. I guess the only thing they are releasing now-days are "vapor chips." :sad5: ..... and while the price on vapor chips is really great, they don't crunch worth a $h*t.

[gatekeeper53]

Yup now I know how all the Beta Video recorder owners felt. They had better audio and video but just couldn't keep up.

[Brucifer]

Yup now I know how all the Beta Video recorder owners felt. They had better audio and video but just couldn't keep up.

LOL ------- good way to put it. I'd forgotten about the Beta video recorder format and all those beta format tapes I ended up with. :)

And it's also looking like the same thing is gonna happen with the DVD stuff too, as the Blue Ray stuff is sure increasing in volume...

[drezha]

I'm looking to put together a system for a workstation and the Q6600 does seem to be the chip I'm aiming for...

[Jason1478963]

Have any of you guys read the article at tomshardware?

[Nflight]

Intels side of the story: http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/19/intel_core_2_extreme_qx9770/

AMDs side of the story: http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/19/the_spider_weaves_its_web/

Lots of reading on both sides - may the best win the mighty cup! :icon_razz: :blob3:

I found this news disturbing but, now we understand what there problem has been:

"Somehow, we couldn't help but think back to the P60 as Dave Everitt informed the audience that a processor bug had found its way into the early Phenom processor samples. The bug causes the system to freeze when a certain combination of instructions coincides with extraordinarily high traffic. This bug can only be reproduced in the lab but does not occur under normal, real-world conditions. It is still present in the 2.20 GHz and 2.30 GHz versions of the Phenom (9500 and 9600).
As a result of this bug, the 2.4 GHz version of the Phenom with the model number 9700 has been pushed back to January of 2008. When it comes out, that version will not contain the bug."

I found this news on the 8th page of the AMD article above. :-(

On Page #19, I found the new AMD's Overdrive tool, used exclusively for overclocking - Way Cool

Last Page Quote:
AMD seems to have done its homework when the company set the price for its Phenom processors. The Phenom 9600 is about 13.5% slower than Intel's Q6600 in our benchmarks. On the other hand, its price is also 13.6% lower than that of its direct competitor. Thus, the two products offer practically the same performance for your money.

[drezha]

Have any of you guys read the article at tomshardware?

Link?:icon_wink:

EDIT:

Seen Neogen's post.

BTW that mentions the program Overdrive. I saw a reference to it last week but google gave me nothing on it.

[gamer007]

I'm currently in the basis of planning to buy for my new computer. Currently I'm leaning towards an Intel dual-core and wait for the more affordable Penryns to come out in Jan.

I was planning on Phenom, but I don't know what to get.

[Bender10]

Here is a link to AMD Overdrive...

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/

or this

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/844/AMD_Overdrive_2.10.html

or this

http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/840/AMD_Overdrive_2.0.7.html

I just found it. haven't played with it...

[Robert P. Herbst]

Hot news on Hardware. I'm running four Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit computers right now with the AMD dual core chip. The Graphics Card is the EVGA N7600. If you have one of these cards in your machine you might want to check it. There are five 6.3 Volt Capacitors next to the fan. They have consistently popped their tops on my computers. 100% Failure rate. There is a "K" scribed in the top of each and they rupture aling these scribed lines. As of yet, EVGA has failed to make good on the cards. They want to replace them with the same card again. This makes no sense at all.
The fans tend to be rather loud, like a woman being murdered outside your door. It test, open your computer and just touch the N7600 card, the noise will stop.

[Jason1478963]

I am still gonna stick with AMD. It seems they have a better upgrade path for the am2+ platform. I look forward to an upgrade without buying new motherboards everytime. I'm getting to old to be a fan of the 3d shooters and have little need for the very top of the line systems anymore. I think they have some very nice prices on their dual cores. I just ordered a 5000+ to try a home theater pc and see if the chip is a good overclocker.