Nehalem...

[plonk420]

anyone have one yet, or know any crunchers with one yet?

from what i gatherered, Hyperthreading FINALLY doesn't suck. it seems to help in 7 or 8 out of 10 situations. are DC calculations "compact" enough that HT wouldn't help them? or is that hard to determine?

i'll likely bite when boards hit under $140 and chips hit closer to $300... :/

[mitchellds]

I'm watching them closely also. I'd like to have one when some prices get a little better. Its the cost of the DDR3 3 way memory and the boards that really need to drop at this point.

[BobCat13]

anyone have one yet, or know any crunchers with one yet?

from what i gatherered, Hyperthreading FINALLY doesn't suck. it seems to help in 7 or 8 out of 10 situations. are DC calculations "compact" enough that HT wouldn't help them? or is that hard to determine?

i'll likely bite when boards hit under $140 and chips hit closer to $300... :/

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=206572

[Frederic Brillouet]

I'm getting tempted for nehalems... (if i could get the money together...) where the hell is amd with their 8 core chip that fits am2+ boards and eats intels for breakfast?

[mitchellds]

that's not likely to happen any time soon with any chip of theirs that we can afford unfortunately.

[Brucifer]

that's not likely to happen any time soon with any chip of theirs that we can afford unfortunately.

yeah.... sad to say, but I fear it is quite true. AMD is pricing themselves right out of my budget limitations.

[Jason1478963]

I didn't think AMD was expensive. I believe I did see an Intel I7 priced at $1059. I can't imagine what you will see for Intel prices if AMD doesn't make it. They may not have the fastest chip in the market at the moment, but the desktop chips they have seem to be priced fairly. You can get a phenom 9850 for less then a q6600 at the moment. In the benchmarks those 2 seem to be approximately the same (3dmark CPU). I'm waiting for some better chips from AMD at the moment to upgrade my pharm. How many of us would be able to afford the pharms we have if AMD wasn't giving Intel some competition?

[liuqyn]

the problem is they aren't giving enough competition. don't get me wrong, all my systems are AMD powered and I plan to keep it that way.

[mitchellds]

yes, competition is a good thing, good for us. I just hope they can hang in the game for the long term and give Intel a reason to keep prices down.

[plonk420]

i can't tell if just seti@home is offering an abnormally low amount of points or if ALL BOINC projects are...

http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_host_graph.php?pr=bo&id=4703610

(hyperthreading enabled)

i thought i was hearing of 20k-30k points a day from either r@h, wcg, or f@h .. can't remember which...

(source thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=39&threadid=2250562&enterthread=y )

[Indigo]

It's only a matter of time before AMD hits one out of the ballpark again. It's crucial to their survival. If it's anything I've learned over the years watching them play their games, is that Intel seems to say "Ok, we've had a good run, it's your turn, but don't cut into our profits too bad".

Granted Intel is more competitive these days, and I'm grateful - my laptop is a C2D, but my desktop is all Phenom.

[Danish Dynamite]

i have seen bench marks from phenom II 940 running at 3857mhz from 3ghz so it seems that at least from the die shrink it appears to be a bit more oc'able then phenoms from what i understand phenom II 9*5 will be socket am3 able to use upto 1333mhz ddr3 and the little pretty piccy below suggests that if you have good cooling you will be able to do some wonderfully numbers re oc'ing
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-11-16/30d.jpg

Edit i found this as well
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-11-16/30b.jpg

and i came across this thread (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1376983) appears someone got hold of an phenom II 940

[Brucifer]

I don't think that I'll be getting any of the "high priced spread" as it's all a bit out of my budget range. I have no doubt that the nehalem is a nice chip and can put out a bunch of work. But it's also going to cost a few pennies. For the time being I am putting my pesos in to the gpu thing as they have some ferocious output. While there is still a bit of a paucity of DC projects for the gpu's, it continues to grow.

I don't doubt that amd will get a good chip on the street at some point. My concern is their ability to do it and keep things in a price range that average joe can afford. To be able to keep a farm running one needs to be able to buy more than one system. I don't know what the future holds, but I do know that I will not stay in the camp that keeps moving to new standards with each chip design. No cheap upgrade path. DDR3, then DDR4, etc. It isn't just the price of the new cpu then, it's also the price of the new memory, and the new m/b, etc. And taken in total, it significantly raises the price of a new system. And then it takes volume sales to break even from the development costs... but volume sales dwindle as the prices keep increasing. So will they remain in business over the haul? One used to be able to run out and buy new stuff and keep up with the technology increases. Can't do that anymore unless you are independently wealthy. Specially when there really isn't a quantum jump in performance. For instance, when you look at the cost of a newhalem setup, and then at the output on a percentage cost factor, and measure that against a GTX280 gpu for instance or the new double precision cell, how is it going to compare? Just depends on what DC projects you are interested in crunching. Do little Johnnie's parents run out and buy the kid that razzle dazzle super hot new pc chip gaming machine when they can spend 500 bux on a PS3 that plays games just great.... percentage wise, how many guys out there are bleeding edge gotta have it geeks... enough that it will pan out for the companies to keep up releasing new chip after new chip in rapid succession? Myself, I don't think the disposable bucks are there by the purchasing public like it used to be. Abit just went down the tubes. I doubt they will be the last. The corporate server room isn't into the massive spending thing like it was a few years ago either. Detroit didn't read the writing on the wall either, they just kept putting out what they wanted and what they got the best return point on, never mind that their business model was based on an unsustainable business model. The consumer just couldn't keep buying newer and continually much more expensive cars while the consumer's disposable bucks continued to be reduced each year. Same this is happening in the computer world. Computing power is neat and cool and a necessity in some circles for crunching power, but for the masses, the new chips aren't really gaining the average consumer anything. You can only type so fast, or load a spreadsheet so fast. So we have reached the point where what we have works fine for the majority of the needs out there. The only thing that keeps the ball rolling is MS's push to require new chips to run their new software.... but again, how long will people keep investing thousands a year into their basic spreadsheet, word processor, etc.

I think there is going to be a big settling out of things. The specialized chip scenario makes more sense than continuing the more powerful general purpose cpu that really can't compete against a specialized chip, neither in price nor performance. I think if AMD is going to continue long in the world, it will be the ATI acquisition that will open the avenues towards more opportunities in the computing world through specialization.