Bobcat/Zacate mobos?

[plonk420]

are there any mobo websites out there with models on their websites other than Gigabyte?

http://gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3681

i'm kinda dying for news, ANY news of actual products, i'll even take large photos of upcoming ones

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Soyo-Presents-Its-AMD-Zacate-Powered-Mainboard-172511.shtml oooo uATX (i want room for GPU (just in case) AND a soundcard... and/or nic, as i've had my first onboard go south)

edit: ah, found this http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/motherboards/2011/01/04/amd-zacate-mini-itx-motherboards-preview/1
(the Gigabyte, Asus E35MI-I Deluxe, MSI E350-E45)

[Dirk Broer]

I usually look on
http://www.anandtech.com/tag/mb
or
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/review/Components,1/Motherboards,2/
or
http://www.motherboards.org/reviews/motherboards

[plonk420]

ah yes, AsRock (sadly mini ITX)
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/asrock-e350m1-amd-brazos-zacate-apu,review-32098.html

and Sapphire "PURE Fusion Mini E350", anotehr mini ITX
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?psn=0001&pid=1034

[Dirk Broer]

Looking for anything in particular?
In case you have unlimited budget, I'd advise a Asus KGPE-D16. It has a SSI form factor and takes two AMD socket G34 CPUs. So that is your hypothetical 24-core super cruncher.:5obsessed:
The SSI form factor might be a show stopper though, as it needs a different PSU as well, so let's asume you want to go for a full size ATX mobo.
In that case the mobo of choice would be either the Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H; the Asrock 890GX Extreme4 or the Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3. You might even consider a Foxconn A9DA-S. All have the AMD 890 chipset and should be around $100-120 each. They will all support the latest PhenomII 6-core CPUs, as well as a cross-fire HD 6970 configuration (at least: I hope so) and you can stick 4 sticks of DDR3 RAM into them. I just do not know if there will be any Bobcat/Zacate socket AM3 CPUs soon, if anytime.
If you are more into micro-ATX i would advise either the Asrock 890GM PRO3; the MSI 890GXM-G65 or the Biostar TA890GXE.

[plonk420]

i want to get my HTPC under ~25-30 watts. and preferrably spend less than an Ion board. main thing is being able to play a BD+ encrypted blu ray (either via legit app or AnyDVD HD)... not sure this'll do AnyDVD HD realtime, tho, but i'd be willing to try. i could always make it my router (currently an athlon 750).

there was an article that put an atom vs zacate vs EE athlon ii .. but i'd still prefer to stay around atom/zacate levels.

edit: i could always rip the blu ray on my main or gaming computer, but who wants to wait ~20-40 mins for a movie to start? :)

[liuqyn]

bobcat isn't the high performance chip your waiting for, hence the reason you've only found it in mini ITX boards. your looking for bulldozer and it won't be out until later in the year. also it will require an AM3+ board which are also not out yet.

[plonk420]

think there will be any easily-acquired sub 30 watt bulldozers?

[liuqyn]

ahh wait... I just noticed you ARE going for low power. good luck with your search then.

[liuqyn]

we'll have to wait for specs on bulldozer when it gets closer to being released.

[plonk420]

if bobcat/zacate's performance was "nearly C2D" like they claimed it was going to be, it would be a no brainer >_< ahhhh what can you do about marketing? :D

[plonk420]

saweeeet! ASUS E35M1-M PRO (microATX) ... however has a bit too many bells and whistles (firewire, usb3) and is too expensive... but definitely want :O

[Dirk Broer]

Considering that it comes with its own CPU a price of $144 is not that expensive....If you have a case, harddisks, memory, etc. from an older system it's dirt cheap.

[NeoGen]

I haven't checked any prices, but $144 (per Dirk's post) for CPU + Motherboard + Integrated Graphics I think it's really good too... just add a case, a hard drive, and some RAM and that makes up for a really cheap entry level PC.

[plonk420]

well, it's expensive, considering you can get an atom for $60-80 and slap in a 4350 for $30 (or less) ...imo. i don't think i was paying attention to Atom prices, tho, when it first came out to compare, tho.

i guess the USB3 and firewire adds a bit (which i don't really need), however.

[Dirk Broer]

The ASUS E35M1-M (without Pro) should do around $100, including its CPU and imbedded graphics...and without the fancy extra's you do not need.

[plonk420]

oh, badass! thanks! :D

edit: lol, i can't find it anywhere in the States and/or cheaper than the PRO x)

[Dirk Broer]

Hi Plonk,

I do not know where NTSC is (some technical institute in South Carolina?), but the BT-Shop in the UK offers it for £94.99, and Skinflint for £87.11; the cheapest in the Netherlands is Zercom Computers, €106.25 including postage and packing (to the Netherlands of course). Mwave sells them in Australia for 178.80 Au$, but according to http://www.silentpcreview.com/asus-e35m1m-pro the streetprice should be around 140 Au$. Do you have a price comparison site in your country?

Why can't I show my complete BoincStats signature anymore? "Remote file is too large"????

[plonk420]

I do not know where NTSC is
[...]
Do you have a price comparison site in your country?

sorry, i liked to keep my location a bit vague on webboard forms :) but yeah, i'm in the States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PAL-NTSC-SECAM.svg

UK (and EUR) prices would be around $150 (AU would be 145). wow! we have mwave here, too. i think i got a mobo from there in the last year or two, even!


Why can't I show my complete BoincStats signature anymore? "Remote file is too large"????

maybe admin put a pixel size limit?

edit: or not! lol

[Dirk Broer]

The ASUS E35M1-M presently sells for a mere 89.91 EUR at e-bug.de (http://shop.e-bug.de/shop/product_info.php?language=en&info=p379905&refID=twea) Postage & Packing will bring that to 99.90 EUR, which is still competetive with most shops here in the Netherlands.
But how well does it perform in BOINC?

[plonk420]

terrible :D but .. it's giving me cpu time in WCG ;) and it's ice cold and whisper quiet for the summer (i replaced the 60mm fan with an AC 120mm PWM fan hanging over the heat sink)

not sure if you can see this (assuming you have a WCG account) http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ms/device/viewDeviceStatHistory.do?deviceId=1563855&deviceType=B

1-2 devices per day (1 core running)

and when i say terrible, i think it took 2-3 mins to install Skype, and either 5+ mins, if not 10+ when i gave up waiting for .NET 4 to install

edit: but don't get me wrong, i LOVE it for an HTPC. and i just need to un-lazify myself to reinstall bd-rom drive to test various discs (with and without AnyDVD HD and with and without BD+)

[Dirk Broer]

Not that bad at all, saw it here (http://boincstats.com/stats/host_stats.php?pr=wcg&st=0&userid=277946&active=1). 141 credits a day, 1,387 credits a week.
On par with my old Socket478 P4 3.0Ghz and less then my socket754 Athlon 3200.