World Community Grid

[kamaleigh]

I saw this project spotlighted on cnn.com:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/11/16/science.ibm.grid.reut/index.html

the project site is here:
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/

They're just starting off...three hundred something members. Any desire to make a team? or is this project just more of the same?

[chaz]

Its funny you found that there, I was first introduced to DC by a story on CNN about Grid.org, and thats how I found my home here...:)

[Ototero]

I downloaded it and started processing. It's the same as Grid (but updated).

Shall we form a team. At least to get a presence on the list.

[Empty_5oul]

might as well ototero, i will dl and join.

on install i found you have to uninstall grid normal version for the new one to install, other wise it stops and fails.

[AMDave]

Hi Kamaleigh.

long time between posts.
Nice to see you're well.

Looks like the IBM + Grid development team are remarketing UD-Grid.

Not much info on the site tho.

I get the impression that BOINC has got them worried that they may lose their Commercial income from the Drug companies and various Governments.

Certainly a lot of known team names have appeared in the list.

No notes though on the plans for the existing UD-Grid site.

Continuing both would fit with a strategy to grab a market (home-PC) stake (before BOINC takes it all)

But maybe I am being too cynical.

[Empty_5oul]

maybe dave,
BOINC still has many flaws tho, i dont think ever having all the projects fully up and functionable. i dont think BOINC will take over for a while, maybe at one point when SOB is finished and either some of the other large projects become completed or dont need any more users - until then i think the stand alone products will do just as well.
at least running D2ol or SOB you know your machien will be processing all day while with BOINC it is a bit of a risk and needs checking frequently.

[AMDave]

For such a good project framework, Grid has 2 huge ommissions
1 - no WU cache - loses the non-broadband people
2 - and still no support for Unix / Linux / et al.
even now: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/join_now/system_requirements.html

It's like an OpenSource exclusion zone. Given who their investment partners are and their intent to promote commercial gain, that's not surprising.

BOINC covers all the bases and more by supporting a WU cache (to an extent), many OSs and also making the platform code available.

Also, whilst it is fairly recent BOINC as a platform is already pretty stable. Most of the problems now are related to the Project modules, not actually BOINC itself (per the BOINC forums). The rate at which projects are able to make the move into the BOINC framework is a credit to the platform developers.

If I was a Grid partner, I would be concerned with my investment, and with good reason ... BOINC is not the only OpenSource Grid platform that is capturing the philanthropic CPU-Cycle market.

This is not meant to be a promotion for BOINC or a derision of Grid, this is just how they stack up.

[Ototero]

Team now created.

I got some data downloaded, it processed for 1 second then downloaded some more, and kept repeating this process. :cry:

It's turned off.

[AMDave]

Excellent. The Team name is booked.
The team page will not render until tomorrow.
Oli & I have joined for a look see.

Mine is going.
Just as well - 4.5 Mb 1st download ! ontop of the 1.6Mb client by modem.
The client is mostly identical.
The graphic screen is a little changed. Very colourful.

Try restarting yours again.
Did you uninstall the old Grid first?

Oli has logged off but expect he should post soon.

[AMDave]

1.2 % in 10 mins on K7-7.

A bit too much colour on the graphics page .... wooooozy!

[Empty_5oul]

im back now, i had to uninstall old one.
i clicked download and then run on the new and as it opened to install it came up saying to do install process the old must hbe removed first, then "is it ok to remove" i said yes and it went and installed the new one.
they are practically identical, my credit didnt carry over tho :(

will have to see how you get on then dave i guess your task must be small, mine is run time 2 hours 15minutes and only 17% complete. guess i started with a big one. what is your overall performance score right now ??? mine is 117 compared to high-end desktop system

[AMDave]

The host is definitely a "blank slate" with no data association to the existing Grid servers. Hence no transfer of details.

Overall performance score is low because it defaulted to 0.98Gb storage.
This will restore back to 5Gb (100) on next update. It's the only one you have input to in your profile. Same as before.
CPU performance is (100) K7-7 1300 against the comparison device which is a P4 1500.

MARK: 6.5% task done at the end of 60 mins processing time.

Process rate is actually a bit behind yours, concurs with the CPU performance estimate, mine at 100 yours at 117.

Found an annoying "feature" though.
I can't Alt-TAB to the client window.
It flicks into the forground and drops straigt back again behind any other window that is open. But if I minimise the other windows, there it is still open on the screen It only stays in front if I click the task-bar icon.
The old client didn't do that.

Going to let it run o-night. C U tmrw.

[Ototero]

No old copy of grid to delete.

Overall Perf : 50 :oops:
CPU Perf : 27 :oops:

Seems to be running now. :lol:

EDIT, it has reset itself again, re-downloading :cry:

Switch off

[Empty_5oul]

dont have a clue ototero, there is a thing on there new site as other people have had errors, when i checked no-one had that problem tho. seeing as it is new out someone will post with that soon and hopefully you can implement the solution.

im now on 25% done, but 3 hours processing. i work that out to be another 9 hours to go.

[Ototero]

Could be my crappy penty 2 399mhz

I'll try at home tonight.

[AMDave]

Oli,

that seems to match.
at 20% after 2hrs 40 mins
I work mine out to be a total WU time of 13 hrs 20 mins.
I work yours out to be 11hr 22 mins.

[DMMc]

United Devices in specific and Grid in general has ALWAYS under rated AMD systems.
My AMD64 3400+ is only rateing at 100 when compared to a P4 1.5 That is just SO wrong.
Did get one system on and running and on team.

[Empty_5oul]

k fair enough dave, i hadnt worked yours out but hitting whatever % you had in the time seemed a lot - i now relaise it is comparible.

Its good your on team and have a comp there, by tomorrow as we all send our first result back our scores should rocket :thumbleft: hopefully we will be in top 10.

EDIT -- maybe top 100 - i just looked at stats and some teams are producing more than i thought.

[Empty_5oul]

i have finished my first grid unit, took 12 hours 5 mins and 5 secs and i claimed 411 points.

my system is now set to 10G capacity (current maximum) and my new device score is 180 :D , also i think the website is updated every 24 hours and it has been 21 since last update so before i go to bed i will know if my score has submitted successfully :thumbleft:

[Beerknurd]

Ok I joined and it is now running on my Gateway 733 MHz. So I should finish my first result by age 50. :lol:

[AMDave]

Oh wonderful.

I had about the same run time as you Oli, but got just 186 points.
Just dandy. I see lady luck still has my name in her little black book.
DOH !

I see we have new members on the team already though, including a retiree (must still be considering getting an AMD)...

Member Name Joined-Retired
---------------------------------------
AMDave 11/17/2004
Beerknurd 11/18/2004
bgiven 11/17/2004
bwhite 11/17/2004
DMMc 11/17/2004
Empty_5oul 11/17/2004
Kuki 11/17/2004
ototero 11/17/2004
RicRandom 11/17/2004
Serge 11/18/2004
Wolfman180 11/17/2004 [11/18/2004]


A hearty "Welcome !" to bgiven, Kuki and Serge
I am guessing that RicRandom is our own rrcrain ?
Perhaps not.
Welcome RicRandom.

[Ototero]

E@H team is in position 153. And we have new players there as well :lol:

A bit disappointed that other Grid proj is deleted when this one is installed. Good job I zipped it up before installing.

I might try to run both together.

[Empty_5oul]

are they going to "phase" the old one out now though ot run both in parallel ??
seems a bit odd to have it there twice.

we are now ranked 153 which is pretty good.

also looking in stats i found a team called athlon64 with only 5 members and all AMD machines, i have searched for them but cant get an e-mail anywhere :(. was gonna say did they want to join as we only have a few members right now but cant get their details up.
does anyone know how to view other members profiles on new grid

[RicRandom]

Hello all.

I've just joined both the AMD Users team on World Community Grid and this forum. Subsequent to affiliating myself with your team I returned my first work unit (30 hrs / 1261 points).

I'm looking forward to our team posting some great numbers and doing some good work for the project.

Regards,

Ric

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Athelon 64 3000+ @ 2.0
ABit KV8-Max3 MB
1 GB Ram
4x 10,000 RPM 74GB WD Raptors in a 0+1 RAID Array
EXOS Liquid Cooling
ANTEC P160 case w/ True Power PS
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[Empty_5oul]

glad you joined aswell mate, if you check out our stats you can see the other projects you are running.

thats a good number of points for hours worked :thumbleft: what is your total system score and what is you procesor comparrision 100 like everyone else's AMDs ??

** that is a nice set up you have.

[RicRandom]

Thanks.

My total system score is 186. My processor score is 199.

[Empty_5oul]

k, thats good

on mine the rest bar network score are all well above the 100 comparison. network card lets me down only getting 100.

we have a load of new members just since 12 hours ago when dave posted with the then current new members, heres the new list not including dave's "finds"

dolphin 11/18/2004
GQisleboyX 11/18/2004
Kroneko 11/18/2004
moving fusion 11/18/2004
Philip Ayres 11/18/2004
Pomerantz 11/18/2004
toolbox 11/18/2004

[Ototero]

My 2.2 mobile athlon score is 172 :)

Ric, I have the same processor as you (another machine), I'll have to run it up and compare stats with you.

Welcome btw.

[RicRandom]

Thanks, Ototero.

That's one fast mobile platform. :shock: Have you run units for the SETI project? I burned through those in 2:30. Once I was was in the 95th percentile, however, I realized that my lack of seniority was going to hold me there.

Ric

[Beerknurd]

My processor has a 201 rating :shock:

And an overall rating of 178.

Not bad....

[Ototero]

Ric, I haven't run any Boinc on my laptop, sticking with Grid, WC Grid and F@H (alternating)

Beer, yes, that is a good score (even tho it's any intel ;) )


I know there are a lot of new bods in this project so I'll try to get the individual stats working by monday :)

[AMDave]

Stu,

you think your stats machine is going to handle it ?
:lol:

27 members now in WC Grid.
The DC world just got a little bigger due to the publicity that Kamaleigh observed.
This project is starting well. (IBM do their homework of course)

I hope some of the new team members visit the team Forum sometime.

BTW It seems you have resolved the problem with your install.
The 4 "rapid" WUs all counted and it has posted a WU that got a score similar to mine so maybe it is working OK now.

[Empty_5oul]

that would be good ototero, maybe you could also explain some of the excel commands you used in the spreadsheet you sent me, i havent looked for a while but it is well beyond what i can currently do - hope to see you on yahoo at some point :thumbleft:

[Ototero]

Dave, I got no points for those WUs on my PII 399 machine, Grid just logs the fact that I downloaded it. It processes for about 60 seconds, then goes to fetch some more data.

It has already been reported on the WCG forums by someone else.

The score I have posted comes from my mobile.

[DMMc]

FRAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil:
Was at 99%, ( at 24 hrs :? ) , everything looked ok it sent and recieved but no credit. Just like that unit never happened.
AAAAGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Empty_5oul]

dave is that on the stats site cause that donesnt update for ages, it has an actual up 2 date version of scores in the actual agent itself.
or did u meen that hadnt changed ??
i have just had my processor score jump, an XP 3200+ is now valued at 220 making my new total score 194 :thumbleft: has anyone broken into the 200's yet ?

[Ototero]

Oops, Dave's not happy, better keep a low profile :shock:

Like Oli said, check tomorrow, the site only updates once a day.

[BigDawg]

I downloaded and tried grid. it keeps locking up. gets to 2.4% and stays there. As far as i can tell it is confilcting with JRE. any ideas??

[Beerknurd]

My processor is a 226...... "Go Intel" :lol:

Overall 196... :-(

[AMDave]

FYI folks

Just a reminder that UD Grid and WC Grid install themselves as the screensaver as well.

So if you think you have stopped the client to run another project and your stats are low, remember to check that you have changed the screensaver setting back to what it was before you installed the Grid clients.
:D

[RicRandom]

Riddle me this, friends:

My system rates 196. I get 1200 or so points with each return (twice the average). It takes me about 32 hours to process a work unit.

So, how is our team's Avg. CPU Time Per Result 18:50:46?

Do they issue paticularly processing-intensive work units to members with high device scores or does someone on our team have a supercomputer?

[AMDave]

The length of time per WU can vary considerably (regardless of CPU)

Your time of 32 hours I would say is near the top end of the reach considering your CPU / PC rating. Your rating & the time it took would explain why you get such a high point value

example: my rating was 100 and I completed a WU in around 11 hours on a K7-7 but got only 186 points.

I expect that you will start to get shorter WUs in the near future & you will find that your machine will fly through them.

There is an additional factor involved in the calculation of the points also depending upon a perceived "value" of the results returned. This makes it difficult to compare contribution based even upon points. none-the-less it is still more appropriate than total time or # WUs f you are comparing results over a long period of time.

Nothing to worry about. You got some big Work Units and some good results there.

[Empty_5oul]

your device rating bracket will depend on what you recieve.
if you only have 1G for grid then it will get smaller units than someone who has 10G for example.

i have a massive one right now - processed for 11h 5mins only 27% done. it will take about 48hours//2days to complete.

[RicRandom]

Ah.

Thanks, men.


Ric

[Ototero]

Ric, take a look at my stats, my average is excellent 'cos 5 WUs were downloaded on my PII 399 W98 machine then rejected after 10 seconds processing for each. But the stats show that I've done 5 WU's :shock:

So all my averages are shot away.

My laptop is about to finish it's 3rd, 50+ hours 94%

[Empty_5oul]

where i posted saying i couldnt get it to work on the pent gateway - i think its casue it only has 32 or 64 meg of memory. i will swap it for 512 from here a bit later and see how it reacts lol :P. hopefully the mobo will take DDR not sd only - or are they backwards compatible only working at half speed if in slow mobo ?

[BigDawg]

just completed my first unit, 1243 points, took 34 hrs.

processor 236
overall score 200 woohoo!!!

[AMDave]

Excellent Bill.

Looks like a large proportion of the WUs will be around that run time.

Great overall score too. BTW.

[Ototero]

There are 58 members in this team :shock:

And we've jumped to position 23 from 66. :cool:

Everybody who is in the team now, will show in tomorrow stats.

Congrats to Beerknurd for being in No. spot.

This is gonna be a one way roller coaster ride, straight to No. position :roll:

[Beerknurd]

Yea!!!! I'm first at something.... But I figure it won't last long..... :cry:

[AMDave]

Stu,

which ranking method should we use for this proj:CPU time / points / results

(I notice that the UD Grid is ranked by CPU time. I don't want to go back down 3 places. Shhh.) ;)

[AMDave]

thats wyrd.

I sorted their stats-page by Points.
It seemed Ok.
Then I noticed that some poeple with results were not there.
They are on the next page, even though they have points and people on the previous page have "0"

just wyrd.

[AMDave]

increase members per page from 50 to 100 and it sorts ok.

their sorting algorithm is "shifty". it queries the {# of members per page} then does the sort without completing the query first for the whole team !

Stuart. If we get more than 250 members you may have some interesting probs pulling down the stats. LOL. (unless they fix it of course)

[Ototero]

I use points, same as the old grid.

And I've just noticed that my stats have only taken the 1st 50 people. This will be a problem for me :cry:

[AMDave]

Stu,

please check again.
You have me at rank 13.
on their stats I am 13 by CPU time, but 16 by points.

Also, as I said above, set your # members per page to 100 on the WC Grid results page ... like so ...
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewTeamMemberDetail.do?sort=points&teamId=Z95RSMBR9N1&pageNum=1&numRecordsPerPage=250
and you will not have the problem until we hit over 250 active members.

[AMDave]

Ah. Bonus.

I just made "Senior Member"

Funny !?
It doesn't feel any older than the rest of me !

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I've been waiting ages to crack that joke. :roll:

[Ototero]

Dave, yes I realised after your post I'd only got 50 results, last Friday you were on page 1 in pos 12/13, but now your on page 2, my stats didn't pick you up, so left your score from last week.

You are actually in pos 28 by points.


Stats will be correct tomorrow.

[Empty_5oul]

good good, i expect soon someone will make a stats site dedicated to it and hopefully if that is simlier/simpler and fault less you can take stats from there.

[Beerknurd]

Well tomorrow i'll be out of first... For some reason for the past couple of days it has been acting weird. It will get to about 13% and start over without giving me any credit.... I hope this project doesn't turn out to be unstable...

[BigDawg]

it has done the same thing to me about 5 times since my earlier post. go up a few percent then all of a sudden it has started over. this is like running boinc :D

[Empty_5oul]

i havent had any problems and tomorrow at last i should get on the score borad - missed it be 2 hours today as unit took 50 hours.
i got quite a few points for it though :thumbleft:

[Beerknurd]

Woo Hoo 76 members now...

[RicRandom]

These WU's are all over the place. My times range from six hours to thirty-six or higher. My scores fluctuate wildly and they docked my machine three points for all its hard work. Thanks! :mad:

I'm at 5,265 points. I don't truly feel comfortable about the spectre of knocking Beerknurd out of the top spot. After all, he's a Post Whore and I'm just a Newbie. I'm not fit to dust his keyboard.

If it happens, Beerknurd, I hope that there are no hard feelings.

Ric

PS: Are the stats pages to which you guys refer the ones at World Grid's site or are there others?

[Beerknurd]

I'm running Ubero anyways..... Go for it!!!!

[Ototero]

Sorry Ric, you're not top dog, empty_5oul is.

Good try though.

Don't worry about upsetting Beerknurd, he's an honoury member on account of not owning an AMD :roll:

hahahah heheheh hahaha.


Jas, good luck with AMD laptop crimpo pressy.

[RicRandom]

What's the deal with Ubero? Is their client stable? Do they actually pay members?

Ric

[Empty_5oul]

dont worry ric i will hold the top spot for as long as possible. looking at the average points awarded per hour i cant see anyone catching me soon unless they install over 2 or more devices.

[RicRandom]

Cool.

What systems are you running?

[Empty_5oul]

right now i only have my 3200+ running it, and all my points have come from this single machine.
i have installed it on my pent. gateway but that is telling me it will take 150 hours to complete so by next thursday that may contribute something -it has a device socre of 68 though so its score won't be that big.

[Beerknurd]

What's the deal with Ubero? Is their client stable? Do they actually pay members?

Ric


Uhhhh no. Yes it is stable , but I wouldn't start running it..... All the work is just getting recycled. Stick with WCG.

[Ototero]

Oli, what other equipment do you have besides the 3200+ ??

[Empty_5oul]

k,
im on my 3200+ usually, i don't own any others but use:
the gateway 400/500Mhz,
dads machine AMD 2000+,
brothers machien P4 1.5Ghz,
on the floor i have my old 2200+ which was before my upgrade, there isnt enough stuff for a whole PC yet though - these bits becomming the 64 skt 939 machine i want

then at dads office i ocassionally use his machine AMD somehting (about 2400+) but uses windows 2003 server - crashs a lot when running DC projects for some reason ???
also at office is P4 3.06 but i cant use that yet :(.

[Empty_5oul]

on the grid forum i found this so even from the member swho have done a little bit of work and now retired we still keep their points :


You can be a member of only one team at a time. You can, however, swtich teams. When you switch teams, any points you have accumulated with the prior team remain there, thus you will still appear in the team list. Any new work you complete will be credited to the new team. Points are only added to a team during the time you are a member of it.

[vaughan]

There is an article "Buddy, spare some downtime" on page 10 in the Sydney Morning Herald's ICON section Saturday 27th November supposedly originating from Reuters about WorldCommunityGrid. I tried searching both SMH and Reuters and couldn't find it so I'll post the paragraph here that I have difficulty with.

"The project is not without its risks. In particular, the voluntary undertaking could run foul of computer administrators struggling to keep a tight rein on network security policies in order to ward off viruses."

What a load of codswallop.

The author of this mischievous bunk - Eric Auchard - does not present any evidence that running WCG in a voluntary manner causes network security issues due to viruses.