bok's stats seem to be having problems today
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bok's stats seem to be having problems today
At one point I was the only one in the whole Team, and at another point all points for the last two days went missing. Its been a wild and frantic rustle of nightmarish holding to my patience that it will all settle down and I will be back where i should be, yet it still isn't finished ! :blob3: :blob3:
It must all have happened while I either slept or delivered parcels: everything seems alright now -at least on one of BOK's stats servers.
No bok's stats from Free-DC for me at the moment.
BOk's Stats are back now, yea earlier they were out and that was not good thing to wake up too! :sad5:
Now just as I spoke moments ago they are gone again, Bok must be working on it.
Bok's Stats are out again, seems I awoke to nothingness. :(
Another Bitcoin Utopia sub-project that need never stop.....and it seems like a very violent crash: the complete Free-DC.org is down:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Nflight
Bok's stats at Free-DC seems to be down today.
I spoke to Bok he is in Dallas Texas on Business he is to return late this evening.
No ping.
"It's dead, Jim."
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...wegian/ST3.jpghttps://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...53607c2988.jpghttps://memecrunch.com/meme/2A5SF/oh....png?w=542&c=1Quote:
Originally Posted by AMDave
On a more serious note: this looks to be like a major crash that Free-DC suffered.:-(
From Phil - FYI, My up Address had changed on me. Incredible how these things always seem to occur when I'm not at home!! :blob3:
I'm so glad it wasn't a major hardware catastrophe again.
Get so darned used to the hourly stats fix :)
Well Jim; That is a deep subject matter! - - Since meeting Phil aka Bok in February in person in my home town, we have kept in contact pretty seriously since then. I noticed something on Saturday and since then everything is just not working itself out to function normally.
This also is a good time to explain that all his equipment except for the SSD Hard Drives are older type servers, he has some single cpu boards and dual core boards running the whole gamut of operations. I am addicted to the hourly stats fix too Vaughan, So much I have figured out how to place it on every device I own just so that if I put one down I can always reach my scores somewhere in my travels. I had hoped by this time to have been funded for my project, everything comes in its own timeline, patience will win out!
Oopsy seems the cantankerous Stats system is down again, and its a holiday no less. I lost all my stats on my CPID. :( Time to jump off a bridge I suppose.
:hello:Nflight on FreeDC
Nflight on BOINCstats:icon_cool:
Four Nflight's on Signature for BOINC users
(the other three may be found on FreeDC and BOINC stats as well)
One of your other three CPIDs has your Numberfields credit, another has old non-BOINC or retired projects (XtremLab, NanoHive@home, HashClash, Zivis Superordenador Ciudadano and SciLINC) and there's one with some Seti, Einstein and Enigma credit.
Is it just me or does anyone else find that Bok's stats site is not as smooth and responsive as it used to be? For me, I get a delay until it updates when I go Ctrl-F5 and occasional pauses as I move between sections eg click on "CPID page"
Time to re-open Bitcoin Utopia's Campaign #12, I guess... Bok should build a new server from the money that is fast, can take a lot of IO, and is fault tolerant.
Something like RAID 60 (Raid 6 + Raid 10, a RAID 60 array--also known as dual drive failure protection--is built from -at least- eight disk drives, configured as two or more RAID 6 arrays, and stripes stored data and two sets of parity data across all disk drives in both RAID 6 arrays.
I love assembling, upgrading and maintaining my own desktops and servers, probably as much as a mechanic loves to constantly improve and upgrade his cars and add better parts to the engine, and etc.
But it comes at quite a cost depending on the size of the operation you are running... I have no idea how is bok running the stats these days but the prices of cloud services and the added convenience of not having to do maintenance of any kind are very attractive even to me these days.
I have wondered how would it be to run Amazon EC2 nodes for Distributed Computing instead of all these Frankenstein machines I have at home, and even looked up some prices for Amazon EC2, but if I read their tables correctly it would still be at a much much higher cost than me running and maintaining these noisy space heaters here so I'm not switching to Cloud Computing just yet.
All this to say (and circling back around to bok's servers again), I wonder if bok is running his stats already in a cloud service (which then wouldn't need to worry about RAID arrays and other fault tolerance issues), and if not then wouldn't it be more cost effective given the size (and global scale) of his operation?
EDIT: Oops! Duh me!! I didn't properly read earlier months posts where Nflight explains how Bok's servers are the good old kind that I like. Nevermind the first part of my question if he is running it on cloud services. :rolleyes:
Come to think of it... if Bok were to build some specs for a really good future proof server (with AMD Zen Processor! :icon_mrgreen:) and would list them out publicly...
Wouldn't it be neat if come around Christmas (or bok's birthday, or some other date just because), that people from the whole DC community including ourselves, Free-DC, Team Ninja, The Knights Who Say Ni!, Sicituradastra (just to name a few off the top of my head), would pitch in with the parts themselves, to help him build it and take the stats to the next level? (Much like a wedding registry works.)
I mean, it's just a thought here but for the incredible stats service he provides for the whole world, and that I myself consult frequently, I would gladly throw some new SSD's or RAM sticks his way! :)
64 GB Registered ECC DDR4 sticks even?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoGen
Well... maybe not the full 64Gb, at current prices that would hurt my budget quite a bit. :icon_rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirk Broer
But say for example he was looking for 4x16Gb, if it didn't require to be a full set I would happily send a 1x 16Gb. (hoping others would send the remaining 3 for the set?)
The most expensive part I ever purchased (so far) is an Adaptec 81605ZQ Raid Adapter... it is the heart of my current VM server (which right now is offline for hardware maintenance), and it was nearly $1000 USD.
wait a week or so for the financial markets to settle after the brexit vote.
we might be able to afford more than we could yesterday :)
It can be done :)Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoGen
I have 1 core running "free for a year" on a Xeon with AWS. Check my SRBase computers ID:3983 its an E5-2670 v2
The cost is prohibitive to actually pay for any of these cores.
That's giving the brexiteers too much creditQuote:
Originally Posted by AMDave
NeoGen => IF you develop this idea and we can wrangle the who Team area that you mentioned, this could work. It is just June and Christmas as about 6 months away. We can do this! => I can ask Bok about what the current hardware list he is currently using. Then ask for a better array list of what he would like using AMD products, and we can then go from there asking the DC community for assistance. I like the idea as I know how addicted I am to those stats too! Any comments? Please say something because I like this idea...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoGen
It's not the brexiteers you need to watch. It's the investment market and the gold price. Or just the gold price really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirk Broer
Our market dropped a cool 60bn off the ASX between the result and our close of market today.
The prediction is that Monday is likely to be a bloodbath with harsh consequences for the superannuation industry when the markets re-open.
We will see a re-balance across currencies as the markets adjust - and possibly an immediate boost in tourism to the UK. Holding any UK airline shares? No? Me neither sadly.
Back to the point. the markets will re-adjust themselves.
There's a scare in progress but I'd expect it will all go back to pretty much where it was yesterday in a little while as long as no-one really important says anything really stupid when everyone realises that the consequences are actually 1 to 2 years away.
But in the mean time there will be purchasing opportunities. :)
Nothing less than the lastest AMD Zen-Opteron for Bok! Preferably in a dual-mobo, crammed to the max with DDR4 RAM and a big, fat hardwarematic RAID-controllerQuote:
Originally Posted by Nflight
Cool, I like the idea too but didn't think it would gain traction. I never even worked a wedding registry site before, didn't have that for my own wedding. lol. Those are supposed to be automatic and take off the items people buy I think. But a tech website you list out all the parts and as people send them in someone managing the list (bok? or someone on his behalf?) would scratch them off the list so he doesn't get duplicates?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nflight
Something like a wish list may work? I keep my own little wish lists at NewEgg for example. That's my main spot for tech purchasing, every now and then I will also go to Amazon and others, but 90% of my shopping is done there. You can do a "Public wish list" on NewEgg, Amazon, or other websites that everyone can see just by distributing the link but it would still have to be managed manually, removing items from the list as bok gets them.
Bok should -ideally- be sponsored by the likes of Tyan or SuperMicro for his Mobos, by Intel or AMD for his CPUs and by RAM and SSD/HDD manufacturers for putting their stuff to work.
And, as I have written before, Bitcoin Utopia should have a permanent campaign supporting the Stats sites.
Next best thing is crowdfunding.
Boy am I confused what are 'Squarepants' alternative Fun Stats? In the stats boxes that enclose Boks, Vaios, Gibsons, and trigggls?
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...20121014113425I ain't got a clue, and I am having 1,368 of them....Quote:
Originally Posted by Nflight
Here we go. The guilty party has owned up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nflight
http://www.free-dc.org/forum/showthr...ht=squarepants
Holy Cow the WHEELS FELL OFF. :XXarcade::eusa_wall::BangHead::bs::2gunsfiring_v1 ::5eek::cussing::qleft7::qleft3::qright5:Maybe he dropped a piston, cracked the head, timing is off, lost the condenser, it got a short, or maybe the muffler needs re-threading?
A continual discussion between myself and NeoGen has been ongoing for now some 2 weeks. I finally got around to asking Bok about enhancements to his system. I have his reply here let me post what he stated:
Bok - Did you see the email I sent from NeoGen and Myself discussing your predicament? Any thoughts on that?
His Reply is below
I did, just swamped with work. Been putting in 60-70hr weeks. like I've said before though, the main bottleneck is really the fact that the boinc stats and nonboinc stats are on the same server. I think if I seperate them to two different servers it will speed things up a lot, just can't easily do that when I have limited servers to test on. I have one other Dell T7500 which has been running the non boinc stats in parallel, but without having a second one just running the boinc stats I can;t just switch them off on the main live one. That's where another T7500 and some more SSD's would probably do the trick. Of course faster processors, faster memory and all that would speed it up a bit, but it's not worth it in my opinion. After doing this and probably while I did it there are a few changes in scripting / DB stuff that might speed it up. triggers for the milestones would probably help. They take quite some time to generate oddly enough and I've never found a better way to do them, even some other mysql experts I've talked to haven't suggested a better way.
Can't do any of that testing on the live server unfortunately.
Bok
Aww man... I just sent the reply back to your PM before hitting "What's new" and seeing this thread. lol
Anyway, to cut a long story short, I batted around a number of crazy ideas with Clint and Phil (really... one of them was beyond crazy:icon_lol:) and have gotten to the conclusion that we need to hear what the Master himself is requesting instead of trying to create bigger, badder, crazier things.
So... I say we (not just us AMD Users but the DC community as a whole) should find a barebones Dell T7500, dual-processor equipped, and stack it with as much RAM as it can take (192GB according to specs) plus some SSDs, and have it all shipped over to Phil, and throw in some more extra RAM sticks for his other T7500 just for good measure.
There's a number of small detail questions I still have but the main idea is exactly that. What do you guys think?
NeoGen ==> Dell T7500's are old pieces of equipment. Not only are we attempting to speed up the process but, we are also looking to enhance his capabilities, less old stuff more new stuff. Do more with less attitude, all over situation not just functions completed in an old system I am talking more system access quicker with less energy required. Its not buy an old system and add a few more RAM boosters, we need to find something that takes lots less energy and allows multiple accesses of the data since more and more people are signing up to run BOINC, as you may well be aware the notice I have found is we are up to about 3.8 million users at this time.
Let's recap Dell T5700 is an old machine, lets find a replacement in the AMD FinFet future motherboard arrangement that gives Bok the extra oomph without the excessive energy draw. Let's make the improvement noticeable not just in access times but also in energy used to run these puppies.
Nflight
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but... :-(
I have looked around for alternatives but currently AMD does not have good offers in terms of CPU performance/power ratio, or even raw performance head to head against Intel. The next real lineup upgrade cycle will be at the end of this year when the Zen micro-architecture (on 14nm) debuts. So far all that's been floating around about it have been snippets of unconfirmed information and code names like Summit Ridge, Raven Ridge, Zeppelin, and others, with very little real information and a lot of rumors.
I believe the release dates are scheduled for Q4 2016 for desktop/mobile and 1H 2017 for server components. The next generation of CPUs will also need new motherboards with new chipsets that have not been released yet, the "Promontory" AM4 for desktops, and the SP3 and SP4r2 for the server segment.
In looking up the performance of the dual Xeon x5675 that is equipped in Phil's Dell T7500 I found that it still beats almost all current AMD configurations in synthetic benchmarks, according to CPU Benchmark.net
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/multi_cpu.html (Dual Xeon x5675 is ranked 81st with 12,955 points, only 3 AMD configurations listed produce higher scores than it)
Also the thing that gets me annoyed the most at AMD is the fact they have never supported PCI-Express 3.0 in either the desktop, mobile or server segments. Any modern RAID adapter, PCIe SSD or possibly even GPU that is thrown at an AMD motherboard will not run at full potential. And by 2017 when the new AMD Zen products come out with full PCIe 3.0 support, guess what's going to happen. :BangHead:
So... should we look for an offering from the blue team or just wait for 2017 to come around when the new lineup is available and then make up a plan?
Desktop:Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoGen
PCIe 3.0 support was offered with the -pulled- Sabertooth 990FX GEN3/R2.0.
PCIe 3.0 support is offered with FM2+ boards -but needs FM2+ APUs for it -if you do not use a discrete PCIe3.0 card.
Mobile:
PCIe 3.0 support is supplied with AMD laptop graphic cards of the latest generation (see specs).
Server
PCIe 3.0 support is also supplied with the Opteron A1100, the new ARM server CPU from AMD.
CPU-World gives this comparison between the Xeon X5675 and the Opteron 6328 -roughly the same age and price.
One might argue that the CPUBenchmark is a bit skewed, showing so much Intel-based systems and hardly any AMD ones.
Could it be that the benchmark is compiled using an Intel compiler that favors Intel CPUs, giving them the best path while sending CPUs of other vendors into the worst one?
Or are there hardly any AMD servers around -and people willing to send their benchmarks for them?