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    Ryzen: an overview

    Type Model Cores Threads Speed L1 Cache in KB L2 Cache in KB L3 Cache in MB Tdp Watt PCIe lanes GPU
    Athlon
    200GE
    2
    4
    3200
    2x 64 KB instruction
    2x 32 KB data
    2x 512
    4
    35
    ?
    Vega 3
    384 GFLOP
    Ryzen 3
    2200GE
    4
    4
    3200
    4x 64 KB instruction
    4x 32 KB data
    4x 512
    4
    35
    ?
    RX Vega 8
    1126 GFLOP
    Ryzen 3
    2200G
    4
    4
    3500
    4x 64 KB instruction
    4x 32 KB data
    4x 512
    4
    65
    ?
    RX Vega 8
    1126 GFLOP
    Ryzen 3
    1200
    4
    4
    3100
    4x 64 KB instruction
    4x 32 KB data
    4x 512
    8
    65
    24
    None
    Ryzen 3
    1300X
    4
    4
    3500
    4x 64 KB instruction
    4x 32 KB data
    4x 512
    8
    65
    24
    None
    Ryzen 3
    2300X
    4
    4
    3500
    4x 64 KB instruction
    4x 32 KB data
    4x 512
    8
    65
    24
    None
    Ryzen 5
    2400GE
    4
    8
    3200
    4x 64 KB instruction
    4x 32 KB data
    4x 512
    4
    35
    ?
    RX Vega 11
    1760 GFLOP
    Ryzen 5
    2400G
    4
    8
    3600
    4x 64 KB instruction
    4x 32 KB data
    4x 512
    4
    65
    ?
    RX Vega 11
    1760 GFLOP
    Ryzen 5
    1400
    4
    8
    3200
    4x 64 KB instruction
    4x 32 KB data
    4x 512
    8
    65
    24
    None
    Ryzen 5
    2500X
    4
    8
    3600
    4x 64 KB instruction
    4x 32 KB data
    4x 512
    8
    65
    24
    None
    Ryzen 5
    1500X
    4
    8
    3500
    4x 64 KB instruction
    4x 32 KB data
    4x 512
    2x 8
    65
    24
    None
    Ryzen 5
    2600E
    6
    12
    3100
    6x 64 KB instruction
    6x 32 KB data
    6x 512
    2x 8
    45
    24
    None
    Ryzen 5
    1600
    6
    12
    3200
    6x 64 KB instruction
    6x 32 KB data
    6x 512
    2x 8
    65
    24
    None
    Ryzen 5
    2600
    6
    12
    3400
    6x 64 KB instruction
    6x 32 KB data
    6x 512
    2x 8
    65
    24
    None
    Ryzen 5
    1600X
    6
    12
    3700
    6x 64 KB instruction
    6x 32 KB data
    6x 512
    2x 8
    95
    24
    None
    Ryzen 5
    2600X
    6
    12
    3600
    6x 64 KB instruction
    6x 32 KB data
    6x 512
    2x 8
    95
    24
    None
    Ryzen 7
    2700E
    8
    16
    2800
    8x 64 KB instruction
    8x 32 KB data
    8x 512
    2x 8
    45
    24
    None
    Ryzen 7
    1700
    8
    16
    3000
    8x 64 KB instruction
    8x 32 KB data
    8x 512
    2x 8
    65
    24
    None
    Ryzen 7
    1700X
    8
    16
    3400
    8x 64 KB instruction
    8x 32 KB data
    8x 512
    2x 8
    95
    24
    None
    Ryzen 7
    1800X
    8
    16
    3600
    8x 64 KB instruction
    8x 32 KB data
    8x 512
    2x 8
    95
    24
    None
    Ryzen 7
    2700
    8
    16
    3200
    8x 64 KB instruction
    8x 32 KB data
    8x 512
    2x 8
    65
    24
    None
    Ryzen 7
    2700X
    8
    16
    3700
    8x 64 KB instruction
    8x 32 KB data
    8x 512
    2x 8
    105
    24
    None

    That 1500X with 16MB L3 cache sure looks tempting...
    Last edited by Dirk Broer; 09-12-2018 at 08:04 PM.

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    would you put the Athlon 2xx series on that list (considering the architecture)?

    also, why not go with the 2400G over the 1500X? for $10 extra (street price) you get some extra GPU cores to play with at least with the 2400G... are there many projects that the extra cache benefits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by plonk420 View Post
    would you put the Athlon 2xx series on that list (considering the architecture)?

    also, why not go with the 2400G over the 1500X? for $10 extra (street price) you get some extra GPU cores to play with at least with the 2400G... are there many projects that the extra cache benefits?
    I will indeed include more AM4 CPU's in this thread (TR4 even)
    And not to stop indeeding: there are indeed projects where a big L3 cache has some benefits -hence the still active 6-core Phenom II's...
    And in that case the 16MB L3 cache of the 1500X throws in more weight than the 4MB L3 cache of the 2400G.
    All-round seen the 2400G is the better CPU by being an APU too.
    Last edited by Dirk Broer; 09-11-2018 at 11:33 PM.

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    The upgrade path: how to get the most bang for your buck

    There are more than one ways to catch a hare, and the same applies to a good cruncher.
    One way is to start with a decent mobo, with lots of room for future improvement.

    I choose the Asrock A320M Pro4 because it will hold a future 8c/16t Ryzen 7, it has four RAM slots and two M.2 slots (one 'only' SATA3 however), plus decent VRM cooling.
    On top of that, is is relatively cheap too.

    I choose an A12-9800E as a start CPU/APU, because
    • It had four cores (or two 'Excavator' modules to be more precise),
    • It has a mere 35 Watt tdp,
    • It had the best IGP AM4 APUs offered (at the time of purchase),
    • It was relatively cheap (as in about 100 Euro's).

    The idea is to upgrade the CPU first (with as added benefit that my DDR4 RAM will run at a higher speed too, 2400MHz instead of 2133MHz), and to buy an Asrock AB350M Pro4 later.
    Virtually the same board, but with a better chipset. Then another CPU upgrade, followed by an Asrock B450M Pro4 purchase.
    The Ryzen 5 2400G and 1500X look like potential candidates for the next upgrades, eventually pushing out my FM1 A8 APUs.

    A12-9800E ain't all that bad (though Excavator is not Zen), rumours are that Athlon 200GE will cost significantly less though ($55-$65) In fact the A12's are about the same price as Ryzen 3 2200G and Ryzen 3 2200GE:
    Type Model Cores Threads Speed L1 Cache
    in KB
    L2 Cache
    in KB
    L3 Cache
    in MB
    Tdp
    in Watt
    PCIe
    lanes
    GPU
    A12
    9800E
    4
    4
    3100
    2x 96 KB instruction
    4x 32 KB data
    2x 1024
    -
    35
    ?
    R7
    671-922 GFLOP
    A12
    9800
    4
    4
    3800
    2x 96 KB instruction
    4x 32 KB data
    2x 1024
    -
    65
    ?
    R7
    819-1135 GFLOP
    Athlon
    200GE
    2
    4
    3200
    2x 64 KB instruction
    2x 32 KB data
    2x 512
    4
    35
    ?
    Vega 3
    384 GFLOP
    Ryzen 3
    2200GE
    4
    4
    3200
    4x 64 KB instruction
    4x 32 KB data
    4x 512
    4
    35
    ?
    RX Vega 8
    1126 GFLOP
    Last edited by Dirk Broer; 04-08-2019 at 12:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk Broer View Post
    ... there are indeed projects where a big L3 cache has some benefits -hence the still active 6-core Phenom II's...
    Which projects?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vaughan View Post
    Which projects?
    Perhaps even all of them

    The Amicable Numbers app is written to be executed within the L3 cache even
    Last edited by Dirk Broer; 09-13-2018 at 08:38 AM.

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    are you sure the additional L3 helps?

    not that this helps (as a "real world test")

    i got approx 4580 / 17700 @ 3.7-3.725 (somewhere between 38 and 38.5 single core test) on a 2400G ...single stick of DDR4-2400 RAM, no less

    the weird thing is that the cooler my cpu got (cooling down from recently crunching), the lower it scored

    Ryzen 7 1800X @stock - Built-in BOINC CPU Benchmarks: 4536 FP MIPS, 15295 Integer MIPS
    Ryzen 7 1700X @ 3.7GHz - Built-in BOINC CPU Benchmarks - 4583 FP MIPS, 14623 Integer MIPS
    Ryzen 7 1700X @3.5GHz - Built-in BOINC CPU Benchmarks: 4288 FP MIPS, 14529 Integer MIPS
    Ryzen 7 1700 @3.9GHz - Built-in BOINC CPU Benchmarks: 4755 FP MIPS, 16497 integer MIPS
    Ryzen 7 1700 @3.875GHz - Built-in BOINC CPU Benchmarks: 4764 FP MIPS, 16005 Integer MIPS
    Ryzen 7 1700 @3.7GHz - Built-in BOINC CPU Benchmarks: 4532 FP MIPS, 16222 Integer MIPS
    Ryzen 7 1700 @3.6GHz - Built-in BOINC CPU Benchmarks: 4351 FP MIPS, 13611 Integer MIPS
    Ryzen 7 1700 - Amicable Numbers
    Ryzen 7 1700 - PrimeGrid

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    Quote Originally Posted by plonk420 View Post
    are you sure the additional L3 helps?

    not that this helps (as a "real world test")

    i got approx 4580 / 17700 @ 3.7-3.725 (somewhere between 38 and 38.5 single core test) on a 2400G ...single stick of DDR4-2400 RAM, no less

    the weird thing is that the cooler my cpu got (cooling down from recently crunching), the lower it scored
    I am not sure how to interpret "4580 / 17700 @ 3.7-3.725 (somewhere between 38 and 38.5 single core test)"...

    Is the 17700 a typo for 1700 (as in Ryzen 7 1700)? If so, where does the 2400G comes from?

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    4580 FP MIPS / 17700 Integer MIPS @ 3.7-3.725GHz (somewhere between 3.8 and 3.85GHz single core test)

    sorry, mixed up ghz and multipliers on 4 hours of sleep.

    reason for range is that it was bouncing between the two

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    I wrote earlier
    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk Broer View Post
    There are more than one ways to catch a hare, and the same applies to a good cruncher. One way is to start with a decent mobo, with lots of room for future improvement. I choose the Asrock A320M Pro4 because it will hold a future 8c/16t Ryzen 7, it has four RAM slots and two M.2 slots (one 'only' SATA3 however), plus decent VRM cooling. On top of that, is is relatively cheap too.
    I choose an A12-9800E as a start CPU/APU, because
    • It had four cores (or two 'Excavator' modules to be more precise),
    • It has a mere 35 Watt tdp,
    • It had the best IGP AM4 APUs offered (at the time of purchase),
    • It was relatively cheap (as in about 100 Euro's).

    The idea is to upgrade the CPU first (with as added benefit that my DDR4 RAM will run at a higher speed too, 2400MHz instead of 2133MHz), and to buy an Asrock AB350M Pro4 later.
    Virtually the same board, but with a better chipset. Then another CPU upgrade, followed by an Asrock B450M Pro4 purchase.
    The Ryzen 5 2400G and 1500X look like potential candidates for the next upgrades, eventually pushing out my FM1 A8 APUs.
    This turned out to be a solid investment. The A12-9800E is still just as expensive, and the A320M Pro4 board can in the future also handle my Ryzen 7 1700, that now sits in a Asrock AB350M Pro4.
    The FM1 APUs are now in the reserve fleet, and I am still dubbing about my FM2. I might turn it for a time into a Moo! cannon and add two or three HD 6670s on the board. Have to use Windows for that though, or use an old Linux.

    An A12-9800E still ain't all that bad (though Excavator modules still aren't Zen Cores/Threads), and the rumours that the Athlon 200GE will cost significantly less though turned out to be even pessimistic, price here now €42-€45. (And you'd be an idiot to buy more expensive versions, like the Athlon 240GE: Just overclock an Athlon 200GE)
    The A12-9800's are still about the same price as Ryzen 3 2200G (€80), but the A12-9800E is far more expensive -and the Ryzen 3 2200GE is nowhere to be found. Never mind: the Ryzen 3 3200G is in the stores.

    Type Model Cores Threads Speed L1 Cache
    in KB
    L2 Cache
    in KB
    L3 Cache
    in MB
    Tdp
    in Watt
    PCIe
    lanes
    GPU
    A12
    9800E
    4
    4
    3100-3800
    2x 96 KB instruction
    4x 32 KB data
    2x 1024
    -
    35
    8
    R7
    671-922 GFLOP
    A12
    9800
    4
    4
    3800-4200
    2x 96 KB instruction
    4x 32 KB data
    2x 1024
    -
    65
    8
    R7
    819-1135 GFLOP
    Athlon
    200GE
    2
    4
    3200
    2x 64 KB instruction
    2x 32 KB data
    2x 512
    4
    35
    20
    Vega 3
    384 GFLOP
    Ryzen 3
    2200GE
    4
    4
    3200-3600
    4x 64 KB instruction
    4x 32 KB data
    4x 512
    4
    35
    12
    RX Vega 8
    1126 GFLOP
    Ryzen 3
    2200G
    4
    4
    3500-3700
    4x 64 KB instruction
    4x 32 KB data
    4x 512
    4
    65
    12
    RX Vega 8
    1126 GFLOP
    Ryzen 3
    3200G
    4
    4
    3600-4000
    4x 64 KB instruction
    4x 32 KB data
    4x 512
    4
    65
    20
    RX Vega 8
    1280 GFLOP
    Last edited by Dirk Broer; 07-17-2019 at 12:14 AM.

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