The thing is that all the points granted so far and $1 will get you a cup of coffee. I see the points as being like a shiny new toy that does nothing but keep an interest. No matter the system used if it is used around as large a group of geeks as make up the crunching world there will be someone that finds a way to circumvent it. It seems to me that the tweaking and system talk that we all have in common is a far greater draw than points that really have no worth. Why else would we spend thousands of dollars,pounds,euros,... to keep doing something? Sometimes I can find a fishing buddy on here there is always someone that shares an interest in computers. In real life I get a lot of blank stares if I talk about a new system I'm running or built. Not to mentioned what they think when they find out I have a larger number of computers living in my house than I do people. For all I care they could do away with the points today because by tonight we will have found some other yardstick to use to race. As for being a "cheater" nah nah na nah nah lol