I am surprised that you think recent prices in Euro's are out of whack with actual offerings. Are you comparing the Euro's with Australian Dollars?
Present exchange rate is one euro equals 1.60 AU$Knipsel.jpg
I am surprised that you think recent prices in Euro's are out of whack with actual offerings. Are you comparing the Euro's with Australian Dollars?
Present exchange rate is one euro equals 1.60 AU$Knipsel.jpg
Last edited by Dirk Broer; 05-11-2019 at 11:40 PM.
With everybody at home due to the Corona virus it is time to refresh this subject. With 2020Q2 before us, what are the present offerings?
Asrock, as ever the king of the small form factor, has the most offerings. The smallest of them come in a case, complete with its own PSU: the Asrock Deskmini A300.
You only have to add an APU (as the Deskmini has no room for a GPU), one or two SODIMMs, a SSD and/or HDD and optionally a M.2 WiFi module. It will take Bristol Ridge (Excavator AM4 A6/A8/A10/A12), Raven Ridge (Athlon 200GE, 220GE, 240GE and Ryzen 3 2200G/GE and Ryzen 5 2400G/GE) or Picasso APUs (Athlon 3000, Ryzen 3 3200G/GE and Ryzen 5 3400G/GE) up to 65 Watt tdp. There even seems to be a BIOS setting that lets you choose the tdp, but users report that it doesn't actually do something. The case comes with its own cooler, but that seems to be even smaller than the AMD stock cooler for 35 Watt tdp APUs -and standard, the CPU cooler is the only cooler in the system.
To show you how small it all is, a small low-height Noctua mounted on the Deskmini A300 as hown on https://smallformfactor.net/reviews/...a300-finally/:
I'd say: mount a 140mm Noctua at the side, and forget about the closing lid -or maybe even better forget about this SFF casing for 24/7/365 crunching. Nice for office use though.
Last edited by Dirk Broer; 04-07-2020 at 03:15 PM.
One step upwards from the SFF boards are the iTX boards, Asrock again being the company with the most offerings -not just AMD-wise.
For Socket AM4 we now get
The ASRock A320TM-ITX is a Thin-iTX board, and has place for two SODIMMS up to a total of 64GB (non-ECC) RAM. Another nicety is that you can mount the common Intel socket 115x coolers on it. Those two features it shares with the Asrock X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB3, by the way. If you want a small case, you'b better buy a ASRock A320TM-ITX than the Deskmini, as it offers much more possibilities in ports, cooling, GPU and CPU. If and when you are a hard-core LAN party gamer, the X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB3 might just be for you at a mere 249 Euro -compare that to the other X570 iTX offerings.
Model SATA
600M.2
S600/
Pcie3.0x4USB 3.1
Gen2USB 3.1
Gen1USB 2.0 NIC WiFi Bluetooth Video out Sound Power
design
phasesAsrock X570 Phantom
Gaming-ITX/TB3 4x 1x PCIe 4 USB 3.2 Gen2 Type-A
1 Front, 2 Rear
1x Type-C Tunderbolt3 USB 3.2 Gen1
2 Front,
2 Rear 2 Front Intel
I211AT Intel® 802.11ax
2400 Mbit/s 5.0 1x HDMI,
1x DisplayPort Realtek
ALC1220 4 CPU VCC (x2)
+2 SoC VCCASRock Fatal1ty X470
Gaming-ITX/ac 4x 1x Rear,
1x Type-A
1x Type-C 2 Front,
2 Rear 2 Front,
2 Rear Intel
I211AT Intel®2T2R
Dual Band
1733 Mbit/s 5.0 2x HDMI Realtek
ALC1220 3 CPU VCC (x2)
+2 SoC VCCAsrock Fatal1ty B450
Gaming-ITX/ac 4x 1x Rear,
1x Type-A
1x Type-C 2 Front,
2 Rear 2 Front,
2 Rear Intel
I211AT Intel Dual Band
Wireless-AC 3168
433 Mbit/s 4.2 2x HDMI Realtek
ALC1220 3 CPU VCC (x2)
+2 SoC VCCASRock Fatal1ty X370
Gaming-ITX/ac 4x 1x - 2 Front,
3 Rear
1x Type-C 2 Front,
2 Rear Intel
I211AT Intel Dual Band
Wireless-AC 7265
867 Mbit/s 4.2 2x HDMI Realtek
ALC1220 3 CPU VCC (x2)
+2 SoC VCCASRock Fatal1ty B350
Gaming-ITX/ac 4x 1x - 2 Front,
3 Rear
1x Type-C 2 Front,
2 Rear Intel
I211AT Intel Dual Band
Wireless-AC 3168
433 Mbit/s 4.2 2x HDMI Realtek
ALC1220 3 CPU VCC (x2)
+2 SoC VCCASRock A320M-ITX 4x 1x - 2 Front,
3 Rear
1x Type-C 2 Front,
2 Rear Intel
I211AT - - 2x HDMI Realtek
ALC1220 3 CPU VCC (x2)
+2 SoC VCCASRock A320TM-ITX 1x 1x - 4 Rear 4 Front Realtek
RTL8111GR
/ RTL8111H - - 2x HDMI Realtek
ALC233 3 CPU VCC (x2)
+2 SoC VCC
Last edited by Dirk Broer; 04-03-2020 at 03:12 PM.
ASUS
It still seems that adding 'ROG Strix' to an ASUS product warrants an extra amount of money to be asked for it, nowadays seemingly even more so. The X470 board goes for 214 Euro's here now, while the B450 board does 168 Euro's. ASUS dropped their X370 model, but the new X570 model now goes for a whopping 285 Euro. At the other side of the price spectrum they lowered the price for the B350 model to 127 Euro and brought out an A320 Prime model for 98 Euros. A more balanced portfolio. And if you really want to blow your money away on a small form factor board, there's the mini-DTX ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Impact, that changes hands for some 377 Euros...for those iTX cases that leave us that little bit of extra space (8 × 6.7 inch / 203 × 170 mm), an iTX board with room for one extra PCIe slot in short.
Model SATA
600M.2
S600/
Pcie3.0x4USB 3.1
Gen2USB 3.1
Gen1USB 2.0 NIC WiFi Bluetooth Video out Sound Power
design
phasesAsus ROG Strix
X570-I Gaming 4x 2x
(1x M.2 PCIe4.0 x4) 3x Type-A
1x Type-C 2 Front,
4 Rear 2 Front Intel
I211AT Dual Band
Wi-Fi 6 AX200
2400Mbit/s
5.0 HDMI
DisplayPort ROG SupremeFX
S1220A 8 CPU VCC +
2 SoC VCCAsus RoG Strix
X470-I Gaming 4x 2x
(1x M.2 PCIe3.0x4) 2x Type-A 2 Front,
2 Rear 2 Front Intel
I211AT Intel Dual Band
Wireless-AC
867 Mbit/s 4.2 HDMI ROG SupremeFX
S1220A 6 CPU VCC +
1 SoC VCCAsus RoG Strix
B450-I Gaming 4x 2x
(1x M.2 PCIe3.0x4) 2x Type-A 2 Front,
2 Rear 2 Front Intel
I211AT Intel Dual Band
Wireless-AC
867 Mbit/s 4.2 HDMI ROG SupremeFX
S1220A 6 CPU VCC +
1 SoC VCCAsus RoG Strix
B350-I Gaming 4x 2x
(1x M.2 PCIe2.0x4) 2x Type-A 2 Front,
2 Rear 2 Front Intel
I211AT Intel Dual Band
Wireless-AC
867 Mbit/s 4.2 - ROG SupremeFX
S1220A 6 CPU VCC +
1 SoC VCCAsus Prime
A320I-K/CSM 4x 1x M.2 PCIe2.0x4 - 2 Front 3.0
4x Rear 3.1 2 Front,
2 Rear Realtek
RTL8111H - - HDMI
DisplayPort ALC887 5 CPU VCC +
1 SoC VCC
Last edited by Dirk Broer; 04-07-2020 at 01:35 AM.
Biostar
Biostar is by far the most surprising company in this market niece. Not only did they bring out new models, they brought models that have no equivalent with the other companies. They seem to be the only ones with the old Socket AM1 user-base in their minds and cater boards that may be appreciated there. And though all three previous socketed models still feature on the Biostar website, they have all fallen off the price lists here. From the four 'new' boards three have their CPU onboard, and that CPU is a Bristol Ridge/Excavator APU, a step-up from the AM1 Kabini APU with its R3/HD 8400 graphics. The other is a more basic X470 board, at 92 Euros.
Model SATA
600M.2
S600/
Pcie3.0x4USB 3.1
Gen2USB 3.1
Gen1USB 2.0 NIC WiFi Bluetooth Video out Sound Power
design
phasesBiostar Racing
X470GTN 4x 1x 1x Type-A
1x Type-C 2 Front,
4 Rear 2 Front Realtek
RTL8118AS - - DVI-D,
HDMI Realtek
ALC892 4 CPU VCC +
3 SoC VCCBiostar
X470NH 4x 1x - 2 Front,
4 Rear 2 Front,
2 Rear Realtek
RTL8111H - - HDMI,
VGA Realtek
ALC887 4 CPU VCC +
3 SoC VCCBiostar Racing
X370GTN 4x 1x 1x Type-A
1x Type-C 2 Front,
4 Rear 2 Front Realtek
RTL8118AS - - DVI-D,
HDMI Realtek
ALC892 4 CPU VCC +
3 SoC VCCBiostar Racing
B350GTN 4x 1x 1x Type-A
1x Type-C 2 Front,
4 Rear 2 Front Realtek
RTL8118AS - - DVI-D,
HDMI Realtek
ALC892 4 CPU VCC +
3 SoC VCCA10N-9830E 2x 1x - 2 Front,
2 Rear 2 Front,
2 Rear Realtek
RTL8111H - - HDMI
VGA ALC887 3 CPU VCC +
1 SoC VCCA10N-9630E 2x 1x - 2 Front,
2 Rear 2 Front,
2 Rear Realtek
RTL8111H - - HDMI
VGA ALC887 3 CPU VCC +
1 SoC VCCA10N-8800E 2x 1x - 2 Front,
2 Rear 2 Front,
2 Rear Realtek
RTL8111H - - HDMI
VGA ALC887 3 CPU VCC +
1 SoC VCC
The A10N-8800E (AMD FX-8800P Quad core, 2.1GHz up to 3.4GHz) is an ideal board for those who were early adapters of DDR4, as it accepts no faster than 2133 MHz [-those early sticks that you now have no use for]. Its tdp of a mere 15 Watt makes it an ideal AM1 replacement, and it sports Radeon R7 graphics, all this at a mere 90 Euro's -that's board plus APU.
The A10N-9630E (AMD A10-9630P Quad core, 2.6GHz up to 3.3GHz) will accept up to 2400 MHz DDR4. It has Radeon R5 graphics and a tdp of 35 Watt and is, IMHO, the weakest offering here, at an as yet unknown price -but I bet it will be low.
The A10N-9830E (AMD FX-9830P Quad core, 3.0GHz up to 3.7GHz) will also accept up to 2400 MHz DDR4. It sports Radeon R7 graphics though and also has a tdp of 35 Watt. It is the better of the two 35 Watt offerings in features, also at an as yet unknown price.
Last edited by Dirk Broer; 04-03-2020 at 11:05 PM.
All three are nice charts Dirk, thank you for your effort. Awesome job !
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Gigabyte
The Aorus B450 I Pro WiFi was a total redesign by Gigabyte with a far bigger CPU VRM heatsink and a complete relocation of components as compared to their earlier GA-AB350N-Gaming WIFI.
Model SATA
600M.2
S600/
Pcie3.0x4USB 3.1
Gen2USB 3.1
Gen1USB 2.0 NIC WiFi Bluetooth Video out Sound Power
design
phasesAorus X570
I PRO WIFI 4x 2x PCIe4.0x4
(1x at backside) 1x Type-A,
1x Type-C 2 Front,
4 Rear 2 Front Intel®GbE LAN Intel® 2T2R
Wi-Fi 802.11a/b/g/n/ac/ax
2400 Mbit/s 5.0 Display Port,
2x HDMI Realtek
ALC1220 6 CPU VCC +
2 SoC VCCGigabyte Aorus
B450 I Pro WiFi 4x 1x 2x Type-A 2 Front,
4 Rear 2 Front Intel®GbE LAN Intel® 2x2 Wave2
Wi-Fi 802.11a/b/g/n/ac
1733 Mbit/s 5.0 Display Port,
2x HDMI Realtek
ALC1220 4 CPU VCC +
2 SoC VCCGigabyte AB350N
Gaming WiFi 4x 1x 2x Type-A 2 Front,
4 Rear 2 Front,
2 Rear Realtek Intel Dual Band
Wireless-AC 3165
433 Mbit/s 4.2 Display Port,
HDMI Realtek
ALC1220 4 CPU VCC +
2 SoC VCC
With the Aorus X570 I PRO WIFI they needn't go that far and all this comes at a price of 242 Euro's, which is actually the cheapest X570 iTX mobo around here.
Prices have risen for B450 board here meanwhile (now 129 Euro's), and the earlier B350 board has fallen from the charts.
MSI
Bit of a surprise here:
The better-looking, but by now 132 Euro's costing B450 model, that lost its heatsink on the SoC VCC VRMs and the Gen2 USB ports, as compared to the B350 model -that has disappeared from the MSI portfolio meanwhile- is now the only MSI Socket AM4 iTX board. They didn't even bring out a MSI B450I Gaming Plus AC MAX, with bigger EUFI chip -yet. Perhaps they'll surprise us with a B550 iTX board.
Model SATA
600M.2
S600/
Pcie3.0x4USB 3.1
Gen2USB 3.1
Gen1USB 2.0 NIC WiFi Bluetooth Video out Sound Power
design
phasesMSI B450I
Gaming Plus AC 4x 1x - 2 Front,
4 Rear 2 Front,
2 Rear Realtek
RTL8111H Intel Dual Band
Wireless-AC 3168
433 Mbit/s 4.2 Display Port,
HDMI Realtek
ALC887 6 CPU VCC +
2 SoC VCC
Recapitulating, we have four small form factor (SFF) motherboard formats and seven chipsets:
*=may no longer be available
Chipset/Format Mini-STX Thin Mini-iTX Mini-iTX Mini-DTX SOC/A300 Asrock Deskmini Biostar A10-8800E
Biostar A10-9630E
Biostar A10-9830EA320 ASRock A320TM-ITX ASRock A320M-ITX
ASUS Prime A320I-K/CSMB350 ASRock Fatal1ty B350 Gaming-ITX/ac
Asus RoG Strix B350-I Gaming
Biostar Racing B350GTN
Gigabyte AB350N Gaming WiFi
MSI B350I Pro AC*X370 ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming-ITX/ac
Asus ROG Strix X370-I Gaming*
Biostar Racing X370GTN*B450 Fatal1ty B450 Gaming-ITX/ac
Asus RoG Strix B450-I Gaming
Gigabyte Aorus B450 I Pro WiFi
MSI B450I Gaming Plus ACX470 ASRock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITX/ac
Asus RoG Strix X470-I Gaming
Biostar Racing X470GTN*
Biostar X470NHX570 Asrock X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB3
Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming
Gigabyte Aorus X570 I PRO WIFIAsus ROG Crosshair VIII Impact
Last edited by Dirk Broer; 04-07-2020 at 03:16 PM. Reason: Turns out the 'A300 chipset' is not a chipset